>> you know, governor pawlenty, you know, brought you into this. how much political leeway do you think president trump has here? how much how much room? >> i think he has some room. but, you know, the frustrations that david just mentioned as they mount any one of them, like bourbon, may not be dispositive, but if you add them all up over time, it's like a drip, drip, drip and each of those interest groups is going to be pressuring washington to take a different approach. but i think here's the balancing act for president trump. he has to threaten these and put them on, get the concessions, or at least some of them that he's shooting for, and then declare victory before he reignites inflation. because these tariffs are potentially inflationary. and the poison pill for this administration is the reignition of inflation. and he can't push it that far. that will be a major problem for him. >> to that end, i mean, how much of a game theory problem does the president now have here in pulling back now a few times from the harshest threats that he's made

governor pawlenty, um, you know, it is it is still jarring, um, for for if you're nick staring where nick is or any of us who have spent time in ukraine to hear the mocking tone with which some around trump talk about zelenskyy and ukraine. right. your fancy tracksuit or, you know, regardless, this is life or death. this is a war zone. we're a whole part of the country is mined, where people have been dying by the hundreds of thousands between the two, and somehow it seems to be sort of a game. >> you know, aaron, history is pretty clear what happens when the world appeases autocratic invaders and the united states is now dealing with a serial offender, a repeat offender in the form of vladimir putin. so these next steps are not only important for the united states over the next six months, but for the next 60 years. and we better move carefully and thoughtfully. and this deal better be strong. i'm glad that the now the rhetoric is getting more positive. maybe we'll hear some positive gestures tonight, but getting minerals in ukraine isn't enough to secure ukraine's future or to dete