the main target was russia. and i, and a, this was stated repeatedly to the us goal was to surround russia with nato. the us goal was to make sure that russia was the 2nd rate or 3rd rate power it all invidious. we had a remarkable rand corporation paper in 2019, which had find one of the most disgusting works. a coming out of a, out of a us official them. that said, you know, basically how do we extend rush, how do we annoy russia? how do we undermine russia? that's a, a national goal. how about, how do we cooperate with russian? how do we make peace with rush? how do we find security arrangements if, if rand was working on that, it would be good. yeah. but that paper in 2019 is literally a list of ways to annoy aggravate and weak and russia. that's yeah, hassles for us policy i'm, i'm sorry to say, and these are supposed to be the adults in the room. you know, it's, it's just astonishing and it's just me so depressing watching this for to many years. now jeffrey, just quickly that there was a link to pull publ

and they help invoices in russia, many voices, persistent voices that argue that the russia should not be only targeting those ukraine is that of formulae in charge of those missiles, but to pay back to those forces in europe that are behind those on sale those of deliveries and that intelligence delivered to recreate that enables the create the invoices to strike interruption that never materialize, which is presumably why london, for instance, is not fragment of russia and continues to talk up war and the mass killing of russians as a, as a kind of juicy i'm not sure these, that western european nations can actually launch things without the american satellites. and this guy, you know, in any sense, in any other, any other way they don't have the technology, arguably. but how isolated then is this western european area, and we saw a russia and the united states voting the same way that you and how isolated you expect your up to be. and that's why i kind of said, maybe version sanctions on west in europe would be that would be not seen is as a place, given most of the rest of the worl

i still know i'm trying to strong, i'm russia or anyone else. but is it, you know, this will be a long process? what west finally, jo status do humbly admit. you know, it's, it's the inside of the 3 imagines is spelled into re imagine its place in the world so well, put, daniel, is that possible? you've been on this program since the very beginning, year, and we've talked about had gemini and the empire tenant learned differently. can the old empire learn some new tricks? i mean the, at the end of the, that's what this is all about, daniel. i mean, from the perspective of american exceptionalism, what's happening now is either colossally brilliant or colossally stupid. and it goes to the next in china think there are plenty of realist and no offense to realistic out there. i'm not one of them who believe that getting a deal with russia is very important because the united states military machine has to pivot towards china and to a lesser degree, lots in america. and so they want the same game in a different area, and they believe that that russi

do not want to be dominated by russia -- they do not want to be dominated by russia.are prepared to fight, and without u.s. assistance, that becomes much harder for ukraine, and i think that would be detrimental to western and american interests if ukraine loses that fight. helena: you do have to wonder what the kremlin will have been thinking today, what president putin will have been thinking watching all of this unfold. what position do you think this puts russia in? steven: i think there is jubilation in the kremlin tonight, but i think there has been a lot of happiness bonded to the kremlin for two and a half, three weeks now, because what they have seen from president trump's concession after concession to russia -- from president trump is concession after concession to russia, and the united states has not received a thing in return. go back to two weeks ago, trump said ukraine cannot expect to get its territory back and cannot join nato, by make those kinds of concessions to russian positions -- why make those kinds of concessions to russian positions if you h

he went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and russia. russia, russia, russia. you ever heal -- here of that deal? that was a phony hunter biden, joe biden scam. hillary clinton, shifty adam -- adam schiff, who was a democrat scam. he had to go through that. he did go throuh that. we did not end up in a war and he went through it. he was accused of all that stuff. he had nothing to do with that. came out of hunter biden's bathroom. it came out of hunter biden's bedroom. it was disgusting. and then they said, oh, the laptop from hell was made by russia. 51 agents. the whole thing was a scam. he had to put up with that. he was being accused of all that stuff. all i can say is this, you might have broken deals with obama and bush and he might have broken them with biden -- maybe didn't. i don't know what happened. but he did not break them with me. he wants to make a deal. i don't know if you can make a deal. the problem is i have empowered you to be a tough guy. i don't think you would be a tough guy without the united states. your people are very brave. but you'r

ambassador to russia.cfaul, it's really nice of you to make time to be here with us tonight. thank you. >> glad to be here, rachel. >> so today, i think felt to many people like putting a final piece of punctuation on it. this is a full realignment of american foreign policy overall. under donald trump, the united states will abandon an allied democracy. we will support the autocrat. we will support vladimir putin instead. do you see it that way? and can you help us understand the broader implications of what we saw today? >> tragically, i see it that way. and you just presented a lot of evidence to support that hypothesis before the commercial break. and i just this is such a sad day for me personally, as somebody who cares about democracy and finds autocracies and i know american history, we haven't been perfect. we haven't always been on the side of the democrats, but we have a long standing tradition of standing up to autocrats. think about it. all of our enemies, throughout all of our history have bee

he had to suffer through the russia hoax. russia, russia, russia. it was a hoax. it was all biden nothing to do with him. he had to suffer through that. he was able to do that. i think that he wants to make a deal. and he would like to see it end. it's all i do. my whole life is what i do, i make deals. i'm in the middle of a mess because this is a real mess. it's a very dangerous one if this doesn't get solved now it's not going to get solved for a long time. so i hope we're going to get it solved in the back, please. >> thank you, president. starmer repeat had that his country believe in free speech and does not engage in censorship. but his government arrests people for memes and thought crimes. sit important for american companies to -- and it is important for american companies to do -- president trump: we thought they took it too far. j.d. was very strong on it. so was i. and so was marco. and we've been speaking to him about it. marco, would you like to say something about it? >> we have concerns with the conduct -- particularly as it impacts americans. the

do they bode well for russia? a well, i think that you're in must go to update people associated with the new issues. but there is a clear sky will really, because they were class on that last name is the last, he was a very capable community to would be in a position to convince the top of change he's positioned on the conflicts and maybe even to arkansas security guarantees to to you that has not happened and that's in the, the so think of was not a selection successful person, so they don't speak. so i think that many, at least the official media right found for this default to the receive seeing the same to get to the united states on board. yeah, that's might have an effect up at least to some of your team. are you printing partners as well? and what is that, what does it mean for the west relationship with russia? if anything, actual, you know, we've heard donald trump say recently, he maintaining that he doesn't see a pathway for you trying to join nato. but that they won't, that he will help ukraine get so

he went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and russia, russia, russia, russia. you ever hear of that deal? that was a phony. that was a phony. hunter biden, joe biden scam, hillary clinton, shifty adam schiff. it was a democrat scam. and he had to go through that. and he did go through it. we didn't end up in a war. and he went through it. he was accused of all that stuff. he had nothing to do with it. it came out of hunter biden's bathroom. it came out of hunter biden's bedroom. it was disgusting. and then they said, oh, oh, the laptop from hell was made by russia. the 51 agents. the whole thing was a scam. and he had to put up with that. he was being accused of all that stuff. all i can say is this he might have broken deals with obama and bush, and he might have broken them with biden. he did. maybe. maybe he did. i don't know what happened, but he didn't break them with me. he wants to make a deal. i don't know if he can make a deal. the problem is i've empowered you to be a tough guy, and i don't think you'd be a tough guy without the united states. and you

say that russia. is bad. >> russia is bad. how do you. >> negotiate? >> it is nonsense. it's completely ahistorical. this is the this is the second administration of a president that was oversaw four years of war between russia and ukraine. didn't do anything about it. now he thinks he has this idea to bring peace. and what does he do? he bends the knee. he appeases his. his goal is to appease putin when what he should be doing is figuring out the fact that you're right. the biden administration didn't do enough. but russia is on the ropes. and the way you get peace is you get putin to negotiate. you get. >> you get you get peace. through a resolution at the united nations, that means absolutely nothing. we demand that you. >> administrations have tried to conduct a. >> policy with words. >> of appeasement. >> and russia. has been at war since the russian federation came into existence. >> actually, it's been in war since four years of trump. also, don't forget, he didn't manage. >> since 1991. they have been almost at war the entire time. crimea, chechnya go on down the

saying, diplomacy with russia is the only way. and when zelenskyy tried to point out that russia has rejected diplomatic efforts in these years of war, the meeting spiraled. president trump telling zelenskyy, you're gambling with world war iii, telling zelenskyy in making any kind of deal, you don't have the cards. president zelenskyy left the oval office for another room at the white house and was then asked to leave the white house. president trump before the cameras moments ago, and president zelenskyy doing an interview a short time ago on cable news. and tonight, allies of vladimir putin in russia applauding the scene in the oval office today. here's our chief white house correspondent, mary bruce, leading us off. >> reporter: tonight, with the future of ukraine hanging in the balance, that explosive confrontation in the oval office. tension boiling over between president trump and ukrainian president zelenskyy. when trump was asked about concerns he's aligning with russia's president putin. >> well, if i didn't align myself

the trade between china and russia. rates in rank high. and so here i want to say that china and russia have mentioned to know more trade and the trader violations. and also china, roger trades rose a many fields by energy, industrial products that been a premium post people. so actually based on the quality and the mutual benefits of economic and trade exchanges between the 2 countries, have a, by the rules of international trade and is also served the interest of both people and at the words as large other, i mean obviously paging is going to be keeping a close watch, but you know, rusher is talking with america right now face to face for the 1st time in a good few years. we're kind of witnessing what many according to our approach mall between moscow and washington. does china have any issues, any concerns about russia and america resuming dialog? an action here, i would like to emphasize that to trying out rush, a comprehensive, strategic partner of this kind of relation is characterized by not a lions non confrontation and not targeti

and now they're in russia. we want to bring them back and really, it's a big, big dream, task and goal for me. by the way, mr. president, we brought -- we exchange -- released more than 4,000 from the prison. i wanted to share some images -- how -- we have just -- just -- i can now? pres. trump: yeah. >> one minute -- one minute -- i just need to understand in what circumstances -- in what situation they are and what the attitude of russia to our prisoners that -- before and after. let me see before and after just so you can understand. ladies and men and that so they don't eat they beat them and you know a lot of -- a lot of -- bad things. so out -- out of -- even during the war, there are rules. everybody knows there are rules. these guys they are do not have any rules. you see that? a lot of bad things that i didn't want to show you what the changes -- images of children because i will share -- just share with you. i mean it's looking tragic. pres. trump: that's tough. >> i wanted very much to give you -- th

he went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and russia, russia, russia, russia, the whole thing was a scam. and he had to put up with that. he was being accused of all that stuff. >> donald trump is mad on putin's behalf. trump is mad that he failed to extort president elect zelensky in 2019 to stop joe biden from beating him in the 2020 presidential race. he's mad congress impeached him for that. he is mad because he can't be like putin, at least not yet. as gary kasparov writes in a new piece, the putin ization of america unleashing elon musk and his doge cadres on the federal government, menacing canada and european allies, and embracing vladimir putin's wish wish list for ukraine and beyond are not unrelated. these moves are all strategic elements of a plan that is familiar to any student of the rise and fall of democracies, especially the fall part. just listen to what donald trump said later to reporters. >> he doesn't have to stand there and say about putin, this, putin, that all negative things. he's got to say, i want to make peace. i don't want to fight a war any

he went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and russia -- russia, russia, russia. of that deal? that was a phony. that was a phony hunter biden, joe biden scam. hillary clinton. shifty adam schiff. it was a democrat scam. and he had to go through that. and he did go through it. we didn't end up in a war. and he went through it. he was accused of all that stuff. he had nothing to do with it. it came out of hunter biden's bathroom. it came out of hunter biden's bedroom. it was disgusting. and then they said, oh, the laptop from halep was made by russia. the 51 agents. the whole thing was a scam. and he had to put up with that. he was being accused of all that stuff. all i can say is this, he might have broken deals with obama and bush and he might have broken them with biden -- maybe he did, i don't know what happened. but he didn't break them with me. he wants to make a deal, i don't know if you can make a deal. problem is i have empowered you to be a tough guy. i don't think you would be a tough guy without the united states. your people are very brave. but you are

house, the united states will no longer faultlessly write checks to ukraine for the conflict with russia. has the lensky, you must realize that these thoughts required concessions from all sides and also stress that it was zalinski who provides an arguments in the oval office. now, will evolve that some folder since friday, the public investor ration of zelinski that was followed up by these expulsion from the white house. the reason for his arrival to washington in the 1st place, while i took back sage and that is of course, the agreements on ukraine's rare minerals that zalinski and from 4 supposed to sign . but that's, as we now know, did not happen. moreover, according to the western media reports, donald trump is currently not at all interested in resuming those particular talks so that the deal itself was already finalized. and it didn't come past not only strategic rare are minerals, but also oil and gas and infrastructure assets have from did say in the recent weeks that the united states wants to get back, the money is spent on military and financial aid to t of and trump also n

therefore, russia is playing a game, a long game. it's trying to essentially extend the, the, the time that it can negotiate, extend the time that it can get ukraine to be without external help and make advances in this time so that it has a stronger negotiating position. this is what russia will do in the next few weeks, and it's only a matter of how quickly either trump is convinced get convinced, because that's still a possibility that european leaders convinced trump that what he's done today is negotiating against himself. um, or europe finding a way to support ukraine without the immediate help of the united states, so that ukraine can maintain that balance for long enough for the russian economy to crash. >> all right. well, krystal, thank you so much for. your perspective is so important on this historic night. thank you. >> thank you. >> and next, breaking news. secretary of state marco rubio just speaking out about the oval office meeting with trump and zelenskyy. plus, police just releasing grim new details about the death

he went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and russia, russia, russia, russia. you ever hear of that deal? that was a phony. that was a phony. hunter biden, joe biden scam, hillary clinton, shifty adam schiff it was a democrat scam. and he had to go through that. >> folks, that's. >> cesspool of stupid. >> went on for. >> ten minutes. >> shortly after, trump posted on his social media site saying he has. determined president zelensky is not ready for peace and that. >> he can come back when he's ready. >> pre-planned bilateral press. >> conference was. >> then abruptly canceled. and zelensky was kicked out of the white house. no deal was signed. >> it's hard to overstate just how much. >> of an embarrassment this was. >> for. >> america on the world stage. and just an overall disaster for everybody except russian president. vladimir putin. joining me. >> now is julie ioffe. >> president, washington correspondent for putt. edward luce, us chief. columnist for the financial times. and rick stengel. >> former undersecretary. of state. >> for diplomatic, public dipl

he went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and russia, russia, russia, russia. you ever hear of that deal? that was a phony. that was a phony. hunter biden, joe biden scam, hillary clinton, shifty. adam schiff it was a democrat scam. and he had to go through that. >> there's a lot of fact checking we're about to do. but shortly after that. >> heated discussion. >> i guess that's. >> a. >> nice way to put it. zelensky was asked to leave the white house without. >> signing the much anticipated. >> deal, but he did sit down with fox news before he left dc. >> and here's. >> just a bit of it. >> i'm not hearing. >> from you, mr. president. >> a thought that. >> you owe the president an apology. >> no, i respect the president, and i respect american people. it's not about me. the action is that where is our friendship between ukraine and the united states? >> do you agree with that? president trump is too close to vladimir putin in your mind? >> president trump, he said that i want to be in the middle. otherwise i will not put these guys at the table. >> and is. >> h

. >> russia, russia, russia. you ever hear of that deal?s a phony -- that was a phony, hunter biden, joe biden scam. >> reporter: trump has more recently called zelenskyy a dictator and falsely accused ukraine of starting the war with russia. against that backdrop, the wartime leader arrived, hoping to persuade trump to keep supporting his country against vladimir putin. perhaps his most critical act yet. >> i think that president trump on our side. >> reporter: their meeting very quickly went off the ukrainian script, devolving into a bitterly-chaotic, unprecedented oval office encounter, something the white house wanted you to see. trump sticking up for his country. >> i'm not aligned with putin. i'm not aligned with anybody. i'm aligned with the united states of america and for the good of the world. >> reporter: and the vice president breaking diplomatic norms by lecturing a world leader in public. >> mr. president, with respect, i think it is disrespectful for you to come into the oval office and try to litigate this in front of the am

was the aggressive hey, that it was russia that evaded. then we had the spanish problem in this the petra sun, she's coming out and say, you know, us vain. it stands with the ukraine here in romania, the president saying that ukraine security was crucial for your security. and the fight was for the common values of freedom and democracy. these are just some of the comments that have been coming out from you repeatedly to is as women mentioned that some of them, of course, i'm elected to the positions the check presidents saying time for you to step up its efforts. and that is something we heard for many days because the reality is now is the u. s. a is backing away from ukraine? it will be you if it is left to step up to most of the mess. essentially. trump and vance have put on a disgraceful show. i am ashamed of that behavior. the us deserves something better . the free world must support you. crane i was and still am with zalinski. nobody wants peace more than the ukrainians do. therefore, we are working on a common path to a lasting an

there is an aggressor who is russia. there are ukrainian people who suffer from the aggressor. i think we were all right to help ukraine into sanction russia 3 years ago and to continue to do so. and when i say we, it's the united states of america, europeans, canadians, japanese, and many others. and this is it. and that we must think everyone who helped and that we must respect those who from the beginning have been fighting because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence for their children and for the security of europe. the scenes from the white house are shocking. how can someone stab the president of an invaded country in the back like that free europe will not betray ukraine? the zalinski, the ukrainian friends, you are not alone. now we got a chance to discuss the complexity of relations between ukraine, the united states, e u and russia, and an exclusive interview with renowned economy standing un senior advisor, jeffrey sachs in europe. the. so he's got trapped by following the united states, getting a blind to kind of way guy, and just trying to be th

we're having a resorting with russia, iran, and china gaining dominance.ou see this outpouring of european countries in support of zelenskyy because they understand the stakes of this. they understand that the war in ukraine is a proxy war and when zelenskyy brought that up that it might reach american shores, only time will tell, but the winner tonight is absolutely putin. he is celebrating this moment with this chaos that we have never seen in the oval office. >> i have heard that a lot today. so public opinion on support for ukraine, military support coming from the u.s., has been split somewhat. there was a new pew research study that showed 30% of americans say we have given too much support. 22% say we aren't doing enough. obviously trump ran on this american first semi isolationist platform and he was elected and he won. how do we square this with public opinion and what the american people want? >> well, the american people have been generally behind support for ukraine. i think i look at this longer term. historians and political scientists are ve

during today's meeting, zelensky voiced concerns about russia's commitment to a cease fire. that's something that trump took issue with. >> you have to be thankful you don't have the cards. you're buried there. your people are dying. you're running low on soldiers. you're running low on soldiers. it would be a #### good thing. and then you then you tell us, i don't want a cease fire. i don't want a cease fire. i want to go, and i want this. i. look, if you can get a cease fire right now, i tell you, you take it. so the bullets stop flying and your men stop getting killed. >> of course we want to stop the war. but you're saying. >> president trump also threatening to abandon ukraine, telling zelensky, quote, you're either going to make a deal or we're out. there was also a tense exchange between zelensky and vice president j.d. vance when he suggested it is time for diplomacy. take a listen to that. >> he broken the cease fire. he killed our people, and he didn't exchange prisoners. we signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. what kind of diplomacy? j.d, you are

what was supposed to be start of a peace deal to end the war in russia turned into a war of words between volodymyr zelenskyy, president trump and vice president vance. the reaction has been swift and blunt. nbc bay area's soto quintana talked with some local ukrainian supporters for their perspective. almost immediately after russia's invasion of ukraine in february 2023, irina kwasny posted the yellow and blue ukrainian flag outside her home. most recently, she also posted a protest sign in her window. she says watching ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy visit at the white house today was painful. the president and the vice president didn't even let him talk. they berated him about not being grateful to the united states. and she's not the only one. on the street outside her home, we watched an impromptu conversation happened between her and a neighbor she's never met. i'm worried about next step. it will probably be the baltics, you know. and then it will be moldova. and then i worry about my home country. rick michalowski's family is from poland. irina's is from ukraine. they're

they're using a dresser, which is russia, and the people attack, which is ukraine. i think we are, we're right to have helped ukraine and sanctioned russia 3 years ago, and to continue to do so. and when i say we, i mean the united states in europe and the canadians do you have to use and authors? we must think all those who helped ever split those who has been fighting since the beginning because they fight for their dignity, their independence to their children. and the secuity of either of these of simple things that we must to call off on this woman. we seem to hold your pen need as have been quick to defend present polanski. i'll just, there's so many cane has more on the european reaction from belly. we've also been hearing from people in buying from people as a say around the constant stopping in the land, hearing from the current, sean. so the that's the outgoing john. so the order of shots, he lost the election last sunday. he wouldn't be in his job for much longer, but so far he said, on social media, no one wants peace more than the ukrainians. do that fo

they will say they will refuse to say that russia invited you create lots of them. and so what, what the president is here for? i'm trying to think of another country suffering the parts of the well, we haven't discussed those thoughts about it is very ominous. do you think rushes back in the in the g 8 and do you think donald trump is going to throw a state dinner celebrating by them recruiting in the white house? i think that i'm 15 is going to invite trump to the may nights. may day parades and moscow. oh, and that trump will find it very hard to turn that viral photogenic moment down him looking over the red square with boots and um, so i have in the back of my head and, and something that trump said offers 90 minute phone call with boots in um, you know about we for brother to brother in arms and the 2nd level made me think the offer was dangled during the phone call. this is a kind of thing from wouldn't time down. so i would not be surprised. let's put it that way. so we're seeing a lot of things that seems so 19, thirties, to me, we see people like you on mo

we don't want china to align with russia, to nuclear powers.t want a proxy war on the doorstep of the nuclear power that go to devcon to like we saw in 1962 with cuba. and the tragedy is that we were that close because all of the main issues have basically been resolved by trump. they're not going to be able to recapture crimea. the only two issues were how far could donald trump force putin back to his 2022. of borders and how would he be deterred and he came up with this idea of making a commercial corridor to get prosperity and also it was a tripwire so there would be westerners there that putin would not want to dare bother. just to finish, he should take a notebook from benjamin netanyahu. the biden administration was hostile to him. they ordered him to have a cease-fire, they ordered him to have a wartime cabinet. they warned him about collateral damage. they didn't do any of that for zelenskyy zelenskyy and yet when netanyahu came over there, he knew there was a hostile administration, he knew that they were a client and talking to a pat

support for ukraine in their war against russia. there were truly some astonishing exchanges. we want to play you a significant portion of the explosive showdown in the oval office. take a listen. >> what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country. >> i'm respect -- >> far more than a lot of people said they should have. >> have you said thank you once this entire meeting? >> a lot of times. >> what was supposed to be a photo op turned into a pointing and yelling match between president trump, vice president j.d. vance, and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. >> you're not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now. with us you start having cards. >> we're not playing cards. i'm very serious, mr. president. i'm very serious. >> you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war iii. >> the conversation first turned contentious when zelenskyy questioned the vice president about russia honoring any deal. >> what kind of diplomacy, j.d., you are speaking about? what do you mean? >> i'm talking about the kind

you watch the striker deal with russia. he wants to put the us china relationship on firmer ground. those, those are, those are notable feel goals, you know. but um, you know, our history, which suggests that we need alliances to achieve that. and that's not something that donald trump pollution to what compromises do you think need to happen right now in order to proceed with these negotiations to end the war and ukraine as well. clearly, in the oval office today, we saw, you know, the president saying you've got to make a deal, you know, details to follow. you've got to lensky saying to make a deal. i need security guarantees because a lot of reporting has broken every other deal that you're signed on with us. so somewhere along the line, you know, away from the cameras. you know, um, you know, the expert stay to give to rolled up their sleeves and see if they can put something back together. again. you know that, that, that both celebrity and trump, you know, can, can be a 5. you can find common ground. you know, the dilemma here is that every time we have one of these episodes,

guarantee fight russia till the end of time. no american watching that today says they want to send their sons and daughters to die on behalf of zelensky. and president trump was clear and firm and principled, saying either you are a partner for peace in ending this war, or we can't work with you and zelensky for the first time since this has begun. finally met a western leader willing to assert their own interests, the interests of their own country, and not bow down to and venerate this man as a messianic figure. americans have watched with horror as zelensky has been treated as a messiah. our hearts all break for the suffering and loss and death. but you know what would be even worse? world war three. and today, president trump said, we are not going to let this escalate into world war three. he defended the oval office, he defended the white house. and most importantly, he defended the american people. and i was honored and proud to be there, to witness this moment in history. >> you know, what was so confusing is that zelen

they're using a dresser, which is russia and the people attack, which is ukraine. i think we are, we're right to have helped ukraine and sanctioned russia 3 years ago and to continue to do so. and when i say we, i mean the united states in europe and the canadians, do you have to news and authors? we must think all those who helped ever split those who has been fighting since the beginning because they fight for their dignity, their independence to their children. and the security of either of these of simple things or the we must, we call off on this woman. we see russia is also responding to the exchange foreign ministry spokeswoman maria cut out of us as the us. preston showed restraints by not hitting the ultimate. so let's see. the former russian president, dimitri method of says so lensky gosh, a brutal dressing down defense analyst pabo, and how i says ukraine needs us support, defend the russian aggression. as your teams will be trying to support your brain, maybe try to step up what it's going to be rather hard for your brain to resist the rush of militari

>> a deal to support ending the war between ukraine and russia is now uncertain. tonight, hours after the public blow up, zelensky sat down with fox's bret baier. he declined to apologize to president trump, and he also said he needs security guarantees from the us before entering peace talks. >> this is so sensitive, you know, just cease fire without security guarantees. this is so sensitive for our people. i'm speaking like a president of a people who are in this struggle three years, and they just want to hear that america on our side and that america will stay with us, not with russia with us. that's it. >> now for more insight about the dispute and what's next. we spoke with stephen zunes, professor of politics and international studies at the university of san francisco. he says zelensky will need to look elsewhere for support. >> the united states is effectively abandoning ukraine. he's going to have to look to the europeans. the europeans have already put in more money than the united states in terms of supporting ukraine, are going to have to, you know, p

but what if russia breaks the cease fire? >> if russia breaks cease fire.breaks talks? >> what are you saying? >> she is asking what approach it brings to the cease-fire? >> what if anything? what if a bomb drops on your head right now? okay? i don't know they broke it with biden because biden they didn't respect him they didn't respect obama. they respect to me. >> greg: i don't think trump has ever answered a hypothetical. finally, i wonder what the problem is. >> the problem is i have empowered you to be a tough guy and i don't think he would be a tough guy without the united states. people are very brief but you either make a deal or we are out. and if we are out you will find it out. i don't think it will be pretty. you will fight it out. but you don't have the cards. once we signed that deal that you are in a much better position. but you were not acting at all thankful. that is not a nice thing. i will be honest that is not a nice thing to. all right i think we have seen enough. what do you think? this is going to be great television i will say that.

they're basically a group that sprung up about four years ago when russia invaded ukraine. they are very active on social media. they also do fundraisers for ukraine. since that invasion for equipment for the country. now, this exchange that happened in the white house, in the white house, oval office, she says, is something that she just couldn't bebelieve sh was watching. she said that this exchange was very difficult to watch at times painful. it was also interesting for us. in talking w with her, there was a moment where one of her neighbors walked by who didn't even know her, and we watched the two of them talking about their concerns. his family is originally from poland, and they started talking about what happens if ukraine is not able to maintain its independence, and what other countries could then be at risk. so very interesting to see this here in san francisco and the ramifications across the world as well. janelle sergio, you also talked to political science professors who are watching this closely. what's their take on what happened? well, very simply, they p

zelensky countered, saying russia can't be trusted to honor any peace deals. things got even more fiery from there. you will feel it in the future. god bless you. god bless you. god bless you. you don't tell us what we're going to feel. we're trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we're going to feel. i'm not telling you. i'm in no position to dictate that. remember this. you're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. you're going to feel very good. we're going to feel very good and very strong influence. you're right now not in a very good position. you've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position. and he happens to be right about the very beginning of the war. not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now with us. you start having cards. cards right now you don't. you're playing cards, you're playing cards. you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war three. you're gambling with world war three. and what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country. this country that's backed yo

2016 and, and he said, you know, the russia hoax. and putin and i went through that together. and he described putin as a victim. and this goes back to 2018 when he said, i believe putin, not the u.s. intelligence. so, uh, there's, you know, the the way to to way to look strong is not to be vladimir putin's lapdog. but so far, this president seems very comfortable sitting there. and that is a very, very menacing image for the world. >> yeah. the helsinki moment, there was consternation among his advisers. there was bipartisan outrage. but today he went even further and nothing. leon panetta, david axelrod, thanks so much to both of you this friday. thank you. coming up next, i'll speak with a former nato supreme allied commander for his take on how members of the critical alliance are responding not just to the explosive oval office meeting, but other messages they are hearing from president trump and later. more breaking news, new information on when exactly the legendary actor gene hackman may have died. authorities are now saying

russia is $150 billion. europe spends almost $400 billion a year on defense.lectively it's the second largest defense budget in the world. so for us to walk away from that and say, no, we don't want to work with you. we don't want your help. we don't need those security pacts that we have. it's a huge pragmatic mistake. even before you get to the fact that the europeans are the other nations who believe in democracy, believe in liberty, believe in freedom of the press, believe in all of the values that we hold. final thought they came with us to afghanistan after we were attacked on 911, fought and died with us. you and i were both there in afghanistan and saw it. to walk away from all that makes no sense reduces our security. isolationism will not succeed for the united states. >> well, we may be headed for a grand experiment in that space. admiral james stavridis, really do appreciate your time and your analysis. >> thanks, jim. >> coming up next, more breaking news, a critical new detail in the investigation into the deaths of the actor gene hackman and his