very difficult to know how to get into the minds of the two young men who were planning that. 9/11 capozzi well, there is -- 9/11, well, there is the 9/11 commission report, which details the intelligence community and how the ice needed to change. minnesota, independent line. my question is, what is the final goal, or what would satisfy people like yourself and others as far as what the nsa or what you out, want discovered? -- i think sense, the caller is saying for civil libertarians, what types of reforms could possibly be enough? and for most of nsa's critics the answer critics, to the question is probably nothing it will be able to do. but there are reasonable things that the nsa, congress, the courts, the president are able to impose on what the nsa does that will make things better, that will improve the nsa's collection techniques and make each year for americans to trust the government when the government says, well, we're not collecting information about you and we're not using that information. quite frankly, a lot of the nsa's problems, so far as i'm concerned, stan -- extend f