schnur is talking. i would argue decades of experience particularly out of education tell us it's not whether you do it, it's how well. there are three decades on turnarounds. corporate reengineering. in the best case scenarios, these work 30% of the time. to imagine that we can identify some models that we will then require folks to use and imagine that that is going to increase the likelihood that they will succeedcy think just to -- to allow our aspirations to exceed what we can actually usefully do. to give one very concrete example i think particularly on the teacher evaluation front what i am concerned about, you may have read or heard where new school models, hybrid schools like carpe deem or rocket ship academies or you know, the school of one in new york city. one of the important things to note is these school models become very nearly illegal under much of what we're talking about in terms of state-of-the-art teacher evaluation. these schools do not have a teacher of record in the conventiona

dan schnur is a republican strategist and teaches at usc. and mark paul is an author of "california crackup." we'll be back with our guests? a few minutes but first a look of some of what ails the state. there is not much disagreement that government is failing. >> the people are frustrated because the state government, the structure does not work. it doesn't work the way that people expect it to work. >> and it may be about to get worse because revenues are $700 million below expectations. under a compromise budget that was already cut to the bone, additional cuts could be automatically triggered further threatening state services. schools are in bad shape and teachers are being laid off. colleges and universities are feeling the squeeze. prisons remain overcrowded. health programs for poor have been cut back, fixing those problems should fall to the state legislature and the governor. but as in washington, sacramento is the uc in a pattern of partisan wrangling, wrangling the public seems eager to see end. sacramento bee political columnis

host: dan schnur of no labels. we have been talking about their campaign to make the presidency work. guest: thank you for having me. oft: watch c-span's coverage the conventions, coming up in just a couple of weeks. tampa, august 27-30. then returning to charlotte to 6.e the democrats sept. 4- find out more at c-span.org. coming up next, steve gunderson is our guest. we will talk about for-profit colleges. later on, kristie arslan joins us to discuss issues that are most important to the self -- a boy in today's economy and the job market. first this news update. >> now that the department of homeland security is taking applications from young illegal immigrants looking to get work permits, arizona governor jan brewer has signed an executive order denying the young people drivers licenses and other public benefits. governor brewer says the federal program, the deferred action for childhood arrivals program, does not give immigrants legal status. she is following the intent of the current state law denying public b

schnur, i don't spend as much time on the ground. i spend much more

schnur, i don't spend as much time on the ground. i spend much more time looking at the questions with some perspective. i think if we look back at a half century of federal efforts to improve schooling, some pretty stark lessons stand out that are rarely kind of taken into account. we often spend time talking about whether the federal government should or should not be involved in education. if we go back to the northwest ordinance, more land grant act, for more than two centuries, we've actually had the federal government involved in some way. for me, the much more useful question here is what is the federal government equipped to do well when it comes to american education. i think the federal government is horribly situated to improve schools or improve teaching. it is just atrociously situated because schools are enormously complex organizations. what we've already heard today from several of the folks on the ground, from mr. luna, from mr. grier is how much improving teacher accountability, improving teacher evaluation depends

now who do you think schnur i am a girl with just good grades. >> the morale of this story is that noter what people think about you, all you have to do is show who you really are. even if the situation isn't good for you, you must make the best effort you can and you will succeed in this life. jenny chuasiriporn did -- life. [cheers and applause] >> all right. yell about the shooting, about the killings. mothers don't remember reality. phone call. angers, her client. who the media pictures fighting and screaming. wife drops the bottle. neighbors. let mep put some ink in your mind. blue, red, purple, green, black, so many colors of ink i'm going to start an art gearly. google me. violence is my silence. >> all right. i see a room with darkness. i see a room with darkness. i see the color white.

now who do you think schnur i am a girl with just good grades. >> the morale of this story is that noatter what people think about you, all you have to do is show who you really are. even if the situation isn't good for you, you must make the best effort you can and you will succeed in this life. jenny chuasiriporn did -- life. [cheers and applause] >> all right. yell about the shooting, about the killings. mothers don't remember reality. phone call. angers, her client. who the media pictures fighting and screaming. wife drops the bottle. neighbors. let mep put some ink in your mind. blue, red, purple, green, black, so many colors of ink i'm going to start an art gearly. google me. violence is my silence. >> all right. i see a room with darkness. i see the color white. poems are made in darkness. poems are p white. poems are shadows. all poems are what you want them to be 79 all poems ar another -- another way to express yourself. i stay active. if i see something i like i'm snatching the if you put up a fight, i'm basting. you're going to be on the floor sleeping and i'm going to be

now who do you think schnur i am a girl with just good grades. >> the morale of this story is that noatter what people think about you, all you have to do is show who you really are. even if the situation isn't good for you, you must make the best effort you can and you will succeed in this life. jenny chuasiriporn did -- life. [cheers and applause] >> all right. yell about the shooting, about the killings. mothers don't remember reality. phone call. angers, her client.

host: ok, let's hear from dan schnur.le of points in which i respectfully disagree with maria. most important is that americans do have a way of addressing their dissatisfaction with their elected leaders. it is the next election. one of the biggest problems that exist in politics that washington and the national level and state level as well is the most powerful voices in politics tend to be those that discourage cooperation across party lines. when a principaled liberal and congress decides it wants to work with summit is something done, there is a lot of strident voices to discourage that cooperation. one of our rules is to say that "working together is not a bad thing. it is a good thing. every two years or every four years or every six years, depending on the office, americans really do have a chance to weigh in, either in supporter opposition of their elected representatives. we want to make sure that when the people of this country have a chance to weigh in, you're hearing not just on the nay- sayers bidding cooper

. >> do you think briefly, dan schnur, having now the ryan pick, "wall street journal" editorial pagely review will help him? >> helps him marginallism as terry smith mentioned earlier, while romney is getting the support from the base of the republican party, it is without a great deal of enthusiasm, as page was designed to rev up the base, here is ryan with an intellectual foundation to help him out. >> conservative pundits did not like mitt romney in the primaries, as you may recall. let me get a break. we will continue this conversation on the other side. energy is being produced to power our lives. while energy development comes with some risk, north america's natural gas producers are committed to safely and responsibly providing generations of cleaner-burning energy for our country, drilling thousands of feet below fresh water sources within self-contained well systems. and, using state-of-the-art monitoring technologies, rigorous practices help ensure our operations are safe and clean for our communities and the environment. we're america's natural gas. want my recipe for heal

host: dan schnur is the co- founder of no labels. your organization has been going through the branches of government in washington and looking for ways you think they can be improved on. what is wrong with the presidency? guest: first of all, i want to make it clear to your viewers that we are not targeting this president or any other individual was held the office. rather, the structure of the presidency and the executive branch. we think it could stand some reforms, just as we think congress could stand some reforms also. we do not come at this unnecessarily from the left or the right. what we want to see is government functioning more effectively than it currently does. what that means is a lot of things, " what it means in particular is getting the parties to work together more effectively, getting the leaders of both parties to engage in more ongoing conversations with the american people. we have a multi point plan, which i will shamelessly plug now, called "make the presidency work." it has outlined several reforms, and it is

political scientist and former gop strategist, dan schnur. >> the politics in this area are changing so quickly that neither party really knows quite exactly how to deal with them. >> reporter: while polls show growing public support for same-sex marriage, the real election battle will be in crucial swing states where gop strategist mark mckinnon is support is weaker. >> the polling done in the last couple days show 23% of independents and 10% of democrats say make them less likely to vote for president. >> reporter: tony perkins of family research council says the president has reenergized the republican base. >> i don't think the president did a political calculus to do this because if he d he need to go back to the calculator because it's a bad formula. >> reporter: democrats argue or maybe hope that by election day this issue will be a nonissue. that anybody who wouldn't vote for president obama because of same-sex marriage, probably wouldn't have voted for him anyway. bill whitaker, cbs news, los angeles. >>> several wildfires are burning throughout arizona. there are calls for

hess, inner schnur, you already had your shot. we'll skip you. so mr. hess, we'll just go down. what are the two or three things you like about the bill, what are the two or thr

schnur? it says, if the state chooses to use a student -- use student growth as a measure of academic progress and to determine if students are on track to college and career readiness, a student performing below the on track level of performance for the student's grade level under subsection blah, blah, blah, on the academic assessment for the subject under sup text blah, blah, blah, is attaining a rate of academic growth in the subject that indicate that the student will be on track to college and career readiness in not more than a specified number of years and two, a student who is performing at or above the on track level performance for the student's grade level on the academic grade level for the subject is continuing to make academic growth. so for states that choose a growth model, we are addressing i think what you raised. are you satisfied? >> i think that's good. my view is that having not federally prescribed but state some big goals about increasing percentage of kids meeting bi

like at all and dan schnur i have no no i'm what i was more disturbed by this was it made some mention of the upcoming movie the fifty shades of grey apparently the movie companies are competing and like when we were writing and sold in something like thirty seven countries how is that possible it is only is it so or are unsure that it is unbelievable it is the most absurd thing i've ever read and i actually you know it's not surprising that they're trying to merchandise it because it all started as a fan fiction story from twilight and they march and dies heck out of twilight there are but it's glitter and shimmer like edward so it shows how far we've come say thirty years ago this book sold ten million copies thirty million years ago nine and a half million of those would have been in between the box spring and the mattress now it's pretty much all that was out there when it was really care that this was going on i am not about to ride on the train like reading math like reading porn so you're still years of various about it yeah i'm actually a little upset i admit it i mean reading

schnur alluded to provide political cover for state and union leaders who trying to get themselves out of an anachronistic systems. often even when you have superintendents like mr. grier or far-sighted union leaders who would like to do things differently, they get pulled back by their constituents who ask what is in it for us. one of the powerful levers of voluntary competitive grants is the answer to what is in it for us is we can go out, we can bring a spotlight we can bring home dollars. and it provides us a chance to leapfrog into the swoyft. 21st century. fourth, thing is a federal role when it comes to basic research. it is enormously useful in this front. what i would encourage, though, is we keep in mind that the federal role if we think about doppler rad darpa is how do we leverage technological innovations and not get the federal government involved in trying to recommend particular models of implementation. so i hope that's helpful. >> very good. very comprehensive. >> i'm sorry. in regard to what is positive about it, i think first of all, in your segment, senator was tha

schnur? it says, if the state chooses to use a student -- use student growth as a measure of academic progress and to determine if students are on track to college and career readiness, a student performing below the on track

speaking second for the obama camp is jon schnur, co-founder and executive chairman of america achievesduring the clinton administration, he served as president clinton's white house associate director for education policy, senior policy adviser on education to vice president gore and special assistant to u.s. secretary of education dick reilly. in 2000 jon co-founded new leaders for new schools, and he served as its ceo until last year. he worked for the 2008 obama for american presidential campaign and was senior adviser to president obama's presidential transition team. he joins us today as an adviser to the obama presidential campaign. with that, marty, if you'd be so kind as to get us started. >> sure. so thanks to rick and to aei for hosting this event and for all of you for being here. this is, obviously, a contentious campaign season so far, so it's nice to be talking today about an area in which there's actually some common ground between the two candidates, and for importantly, i think, genuine prospects for bipartisan collaboration after november 6th. both candidates, agree,

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