but lincoln and douglas, what a story, what a drama. seven debates, three hours each, no microphones, no reporters accept the ones taking notes. just the ones getting up, the one talking for an hour, the other for an hour and a half and the first getting the right of response for 30 minutes at the close in the students love it. i think it's the highlight of the year because they were not running for president of course they were running for senate in illinois. douglas and lincol lincoln withe opposing eacwould beopposing eas later for president. this is with a dry run for that. but it raises all the same kinds of questions, and deep questions about how a politician speaks to voters in a democracy and what the relationship is supposed to be between a politician and a voter especially as it is usually the case you can't be completely candid with them. and you certainly see that with other things. lincoln doesn't want to confront if he can avoid it, the same thing with douglas. but it's a merry debate and serious at the same time. >> have

senate, and they've come to hear abraham lincoln confront senator stephen a. douglasissue that threatens to tear america apart -- slavery. >> the debates between lincoln and douglas drew enormous crowds. >> people are drinking. people are cheering. people are fighting. it was almost pugilistic, as if people were coming to a boxing match to watch these two heavyweights slug it out. >> lincoln is a rookie politician, a member of the brand-new republican party. just four years old, it was formed to end slavery. >> he's an unknown, abraham lincoln's career as a politician has been almost nonexistent. >> the only thing lincoln has is his brain, is his ability to orate. that's it. >> his opponent in this election is the current senator of illinois, democrat stephen a. douglas. >> stephen a. douglas was among the most ruthless politicians of the day. >> more importantly, probably the most powerful democratic politician in the united states. >> i would call it david and goliath. but it's worse than that. it's david and goliath if david didn't even have a slingshot. >> he does

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>> 90 minutes you and me, lincoln douglas style and if that scares you we can do a town hall. >> reporter: don champion cbs news, new york. >>> trump says instead of going to the debate he will host a fundraiser for wounded veterans. >>> the leader of a group of protesters occupying a federal wildlife refuge in oregon is now under arrest. during that arrest. protester leveau finnegan was shot and killed. it started when the leader of the group was arrested, amman bundy. shots were fired. it is not clear who fired first. several others were also arrested, they are all part of the armed group that took over a federal wildlife refuge this of federal land.

>> 90 minutes you and me mano- a'-mano, lincoln douglas style and if that scares you, then we can do an iowa town hall. >> reporter: with trump's absence, 7 gop contenders will take part in tomorrow night's prime time gop debate, the 7th of the campaign season. don champion, cbs news, new york. >>> someone in oakland is fed up with potholes and doing something about it. an anonymous person has been filling them up with bricks. this pothole is on west grand avenue and has since been professionally repaired. the city frowns upon the quick brick fix and urges people to let city workers take care of the problem. >>> some encouraging news regarding the drought. the current sierra snowpack is now 115% of normal for this time of the year. this is the highest lake january reading since 2011. snow accounts for 30% of the state's water supply. >>> the good news, after a few days of no rain we got some more in the forecast. >> snow. we have more snow in the forecast, as well. but i have to tell you it's a

do lincoln douglas, mano e mano, just donald and me, he could lay out his vision for this country, and i can lay out my vision for this country, in front of the men and women of iowa" and while tonight's debate isn't likely to inlclude trump on stage - you can bet the 7 other candiates on stage will make it clear - they're ready to be the anti- trump for the country. sen. marco rubio / r florida - "i will bring us together, i will bring us together quickly, no matter what our differences may be, we cannot win if we're divided against each other" mark meredith / washington d.c. - while donald trump is promising to stay off the stage tonight - he's not boycotting fox news all together - he appeared on bill o's show last night a sign he realizes how important the media still is meredith. in your w-s-l-s ten exclusive timesaver traffic report... good news if you're headed out this evening. we aren't seeing any major accidents or back ups right now. still ahead in a wsls 10 consumer watch... a store at valley view mall closes its doors. the women's clothing store that's no more. but first .

lincoln. they picked stephen douglas. that was 1858. and then two years later, the same two guys, lincoln and douglas, abraham lincoln, stephen douglas squared off again. second time, though, it wasn't for an illinois senate seat. second time it was for the presidency. by that point the lincoln/douglas debates had been published not just in newspapers all over the country, they'd been published in book form and abraham lincoln's national stature as a man standing against slavery, his stature had only grown. even though stephen douglas beat him for that senate seat, two years later when the contest was for the presidency, lincoln beat douglas. in that presidential race, stephen douglas did not come in second to abraham lincoln. he came in fourth. because the politics of slavery had basically blown up party politics in this country. and abraham lincoln stood as a republican for the brand-new republican party and stephen douglas stood as a democrat but the democratic party had split in two. there was another presidential candidate besides s

but lincoln and douglas won a story, what a drama. seven debate, three hours each know reporters except the ones taking notes. when talking for an hour and a house in the first guy getting the right of first bonds for 30 minutes again at the close. students love it. it's the highlight of the year because they were not running for president of course. they were running for senate in illinois. douglas and link it would be opposing each other two years later for president. this is a dry run for that. but it raises all the same kinds of questions and deep question about how a politician speaks to voters in a democracy and let the relation is supposed to be between a politician and butter, especially if you can't be completely candid with them. and you certainly see there are things thinking doesn't want to talk about, if he can avoid it, same thing with douglas. but it is a mary debate in a very serious debate at the same time. >> heavy face backlash for signing up because of the controversy? >> that is one of the things i regard as an ev

senate, and they have come to hear abraham lincoln confront senator steven a. douglas on the issue that threatens to tear america apart. slavery. >> the debates between lincoln and douglas drew enormous crowds. >> people are drinking. people are cheering. people are fighting. >> it was almost pugetlistic. >> lincoln is a rookie, a brand new member of the republican party, just four years old, it was formed to end slavery. >> he's an unknown, abraham lincoln's career as a politician has been almost nonexistent. >> the only thing lincoln has is his brain, is his ability to orate, that's it. >> his opponent is the current senator of illinois, democrat, speech a. douglas. >> steven a. douglas was among the most ruthless politicians of the day. >> and more importantly, probably the most important politician in the united states. >> i would call it david and goliath, but under the circumstance worth than that. david didn't even have a slingshot. >> douglas doesn't open on the issue of slavery. instead, he plays to the crowd. >> ladies and gentlemen, i do not question mr. lin

lincoln douglas. it was a great debate. i enjoyed seeing them nose to nose. >> i think the moderators did a good job too. they pressed them on their questions. >> when they weren't hugging them. >> well, that was at the end. >> oh, please. >> i thought that the moderators did an excellent job in terms of not intervening. in terms of letting the candidates take the center stage. i thought that this is the kind of forum that the voter can really see into the soul of the person. >> neither one of them really wants to win. hillary knows she can win, he doesn't think he can win. there was so much red meat in the background. with that type of background would have went for the victory. instead you have a guy sitting there who ran the v.a. in the worst scandal ever, never brought it up. devoid of any accomplishments at all. never followed up on the fact he can't pay for anything he's proposing and she left it out there. >> i think it's broader than that. now, let me answer the hillary clinton establishment question and then -- hil

now it's a double race between lincoln and douglas in the north and democrat john c. constitutional unionist john bell in the south. >> abraham lincoln has to win without his name even on the ballot in the south. and that's not going to be easy because he has to win new york. if he doesn't win new york, he will not be president. >> new york state has the highest number of electoral votes, but it is also the stomping ground of william seward and thurlow weed, who lincoln has so publicly humiliated. >> they hate lincoln. they feel like they got cheated out of the nomination. >> lincoln has to make peace. he invites weed to his home in springfield. >> lincoln's attitude is nobody's his enemy. everybody is his friend. >> lincoln's approach here wasn't to stand over a vanquished opponent and rub it in and not just tell weed, hey, you lost, i won, get on the program. >> and the two men spend five hours talking. >> he courted weed and he had to offer weed any number of things to secure the right level of support and endorsement. >> what lincoln and weed talked about has been

at least this isn't the lincoln/douglas debates. it was like back then in the debates a little bit too much? >> yes and no. we are romanticizing the fact that steven douglas used very divisive language but we're not romanticizing the fact that abraham lincoln, who had been a congressman, but that's all, becomes a national figure because of the power of his rhetoric, not because he's a blowhard. >> right. >> it's not by screaming. it's by persuasion. >> his words. he didn't even have the appearance as you see in this of presidential at all. >> no, and he comes to cooper union here in new york city and he's unkempt and his audience is moved not by how he looks, but what he says, and what he says is, remember the declaration of independence. remember the fact that it doesn't say we're all created equal but african americans or negroes, as they would say then, but all of us, and what does that mean and what does that mean for our country? he not only repeated that phrase but he gave reasons why the political culture of this country had t

one of the silent vignettes would be the lincoln douglas debates. my fourth grade teacher told me you can't be abraham lincoln, you are not tall enough. to add insult to injury, she said, you have to be stephen douglas. [laughter] i swore that i would study abraham lincoln for the rest of my life and try to make a contribution. i am a product of the virginia public schools and i can tell you that very little of abraham lincoln was said flatteringly in the state of virginia as i was growing up. but those comments were glowing compared to what i can countered when i into south carolina in 1984. one of my proudest accomplishments in the fact that i have been teaching courses to packed classrooms on abraham lincoln in the state of south carolina which i don't think it's a small accomplishment whatsoever. [applause] >> i'm going to tell you what i tell my students before each class. come back with me in history, fasten your seatbelts, we're going to take a magic carpet ride tonight through the study of abraham lincoln and his relationship with immigrants.

lincoln said in 1854 in opposition to steven a. douglas' nebraska act. new free states are the places for poor people to go to and better their condition. lincoln had been oppressed by a man who was himself oppressed. by crossing the ohio river into indiana, his father had made his own escape. lincoln was a fugitive's son and a fugitive himself. even more startling than lincoln's self-description as chattel, as human property, was his subsequent self-identification as a particular kind of slave, a fugitive slave, a runaway. in one of two interviews he granted, this one intended for circulation in support of his senate candidacy in 1858, lincoln offered this physical description of himself. if any personal description of me is thought desirable, it may be said i am in height 6'4" nearly, lean in flesh, weighing on an average 180 pounds, dark complexion, coarse black air, gr hair, no other marks or brands recollected. many might have missed lincoln's allusion. at the end of his seemingly bland self-portrayal, what did it mean? no other marks or brands recol

. >> 90 minutes, you and me, monoamono, lincoln/douglas style and if that scares you, then we can do a iowa town hall. >> reporter: this is the seventh instead of attending the debate, trump says he, instead, will be holding a fund-raiser for veterans and wounded warriors. >> don champion here in new york, thank you, don. >>> democratic presidential hopeful bernie sanders is scheduled to meet with president obama this morning at the white house. the white house says there is no formal agenda for the meeting, but the little known senator from vermont has become a surprising factor in the democratic nominating process. >>> a milwaukee man is under arrest. the fbi says sammy mohammed hahnza had been under surveillance since september. he told fbi informance his group planned to shoot everyone they saw at the temple and hoped to kill at least 30 people. he was arrested monday by undercover agent after he paid for two automatic machine guns and silencerses. he is charged with gun possession. >>> two people were killed and three others wounded when camp in seattle. v?| it's unclear what tr

the lincoln/douglas debates were pretty brutal. lincoln was a politician so he knew how to get beaten up in everything. but were he alive and witnessing some of what has happened in this presidential campaign season, i think he would be just appalled. i really do. and i don't think he would be able to support anything about exclusion of immigrants just because of who they are. >> thank you, professor. >> oh, wow. thank you so much. thank you so much. >>> book tv on c-span2. 48 hours of non-fiction books and authors every weekend. here are some featured programs this weekend. at saturday at noon eastern, the 18th annual harlem book fair. it's the largest african-american book fair and the premier black literary event in harlem. our subject includes black writers and the state of literature, diversity and book publishing. a panel of discussion, and author eddie glaud discussing his book, "democracy in black: a race still in slaves the american soul." at 10:00 p.m. eastern saturday, afterwards, eric fair, author of "consequence: a memo

lincoln, you're not tall enough. to add insult to injury, she said, you have to be steven douglas. so i swore by all that was sacred that i was going to study abraham lincoln for the rest of my life and try to make a contribution. now, i grew up right across the river in alexandria, virginia. i'm a product of the virginia public schools and i can tell you that very little about abraham lincoln was said flatteringly in the state of virginia as i was growing up. but those comments were glowing compared to what i encountered when i first came to south carolina in 1984. so one of my proudest accomplishments is the fact that for 32 years now, i just finished my 32nd year, i've been teaching courses to packed classrooms on abraham lincoln in the state of south carolina, which i don't think is a small accomplishment whatsoever. [ applause ] so i'm going to tell you what i tell my students before each class. come back with me in history. fasten your seatbelts. we're going to take a magic carpet ride tonight through the study of abraham lincoln and his relationship with immigrants. may 4th,

douglas. scrappy buter was a eloquent man named abraham lincoln. the lincoln douglas debate marks an important moment in american history. a center on the question of slavery and southern secession. and though the country did not know it then, we were on the verge of the civil war. realize that this was before tv and radio. despite the fact that many americans could not physically be at the debates, they were still following along with what was going on. despite the fact that abraham he was unable to convince his state legislator that he was the best person for the senate. before the 17th amendment, it was the state legislator, not the voters determined who would be the state's representation in the senate. the hearts andin minds of americans across the country, who were following along with the debates, reading the analysis and the transcripts in their local newspapers. the other important moment in american debating history comes a century later. in fact, exactly 102. in the 1960's, more and more americans had a television set. television,he visu

lincoln douglas debate was kind of a spurious show of democracy because the people couldn't directly vote on the senators. but lincoln is beginning to stake a claim and make his name. people like joshua speed start to bring in photographers. we are with a society in which people didn't know what other people looks like. zachary taylor wins the nomination for president and defeats henry clay. clay snubbed the president-elect because he didn't know what he looks like. clay was effusive in his apology. the size of the country and the distance between people. the lack of imagery. as photography is coming on not until the 20th century. with google we can go look at ourselves. that was not the case in the 1850's. photography is a way that you can have images made and most poignantly ordinary americans, it wasn't cheap but it wasn't expensive either. photography begins its service for everything from high school yearbooks to wedding photos. lincoln went along with walt whitman. the two people who begin to realize that photography is a way of transmitting one's personality. whitman enjoys get

abraham lincoln/douglas. remember the lincoln/douglass debates? >> jimmy: are you kidding me? i watch it all the time on youtube. [ laughter ] >> no moderator. no moderator. i would have like to have seen that. that was supposed to be quite the debate. >> jimmy: but who would go first? who would talk first. >> well i don't know. you know? >> jimmy: flip a coin? do you know what a coin is, by the way? [ laughter ] a coin is tiny, beautiful thing. i got to -- i got to show you. i'll give you a coin backstage. you'll love them. [ laughter ] but yeah. >> no, but the concept of having us both sitting on stage or standing on stage, i like standing much better. but standing on stage and just to do debates that way. >> jimmy: right. >> i think it would be fascinating for people. i think it would be fascinating. but i think there's a lot of outside pressure being placed on lester that is unfair, but i think it's unfair to me, but that's okay. but i think it's unfair to lester. >> jimmy: yeah, because he's got to really got to over prepare, i guess. >> he's got to hammer me, and i think

we will debate the art of debating from its ancient origins to lincoln and douglas all the way to the debate. >> finally. >> the most important thing is the story. >> other shows are reexamining the murder of the century, the o.j. simpson case. we'll reexamine the most famous murder in history. who really killed ceaser and why. fitting questions on the eve of the eyes of march. but first, here's my take. the energy fuelling the presidential campaign on both sides of the political spectrum seems to be deep despair about the american economy. on this central issue, bernie sanders and donald trump have a surprisingly similar message. the american economy has failed. but is the analysis correct? let's see. the u.s. economy has created 14 million private sector jobs since 2010. unemployment has dropped to under 5% and the number of people filing jobless claims hit a 42-year low. the dow jones has more than doubled under barack obama. housing and construction markets are also strong. auto sales are booming and even wages have begun to rise. the central dynamic is that the gains from growth,

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but lincoln and douglas what a drama seven debates three hours each no microphones no reporters except the ones taking notes fell one talking for an hour one talking for an hour-and-a-half and the first gets a response of 30 minutes. and students love that i think it is the highlight of the year because they were not running for president but they're running for illinois senate bill would be opposing each other two years later for president this is the dry run the race is the same type of questions how a politician speaks to voters in a democracy especially death you cannot be completely candid with them. and that lincoln doesn't want to talk about but it is a very serious debate. >> host: have you received backlash for that? >> guest: that is what i regard as an eventuality. it has not happened yet. i was using trigger warnings before they were cool because it's best to tell people that you will see the edward -- the edward and what it should mean to politics but i think the debates are so powerful and determined they have never failed to work the magic so far. >> host: was a short ta

. >> donald trump is talking a little lincoln douglas action. he proposes no moderator. what do you think of that idea? >> i have some fondness for that idea. i think it's great when we have got candidates who will stand with each other and actually do that kind of debate. the moderator can put things in play. by the way, on our format, one of the things we've done is to get away from these highly structured one minute here, 30 seconds there back and forth. we have divided the debate 90 minutes into 15 minute chunks of time so that the candidates will have to have lengthier presentations and longer discussions and more reasonable and substantive answers about the day. we'll approximate that lincoln douglas format but make sure the moderator makes things stay in control. >> were either of the candidates able to exercise a veto over your selections? >> no. we suspended that kind of practice a long time ago. we have to use our best judgment in picking moderators. we have not heard from the campaigns that they have objections to the moderators we picked. we picked some disti

but on the episode, you will see a match between lincoln and douglas.ging, heated debates and racially charged attacks. >> margaret washington, you saw the professor quoted in that clip we showed. thank you for being with us. i'm struck every campaign season. we were talking about, it is the most negative campaign ever, can you believe the level of rhetoric on the campaign trail and then like the one we saw talking about what happened in 1860. where the level of discourse was not exactly particularly high. >> that's true. the lincoln-douglas debate is before 1860 but leading in to the presidential campaign that will take place in 1860. in some ways we can see a relationship between the two campaigns in terms of accusations on both levels. >> why do you think it is so important to look back and learn about today? >> of course we know for a fact that the kinds of attitudes that lincoln had, versus the kind of attitudes douglas had a profound effect later on, especially during the civil war era. we know from what is happening today that this kind of anger,

mark: i don't think it will be lincoln-douglas style.'m deeply skeptical that donald trump will do this. there is a little bit of risk and things are going well for him now. i think it would be great for bernie sanders. it would be bad for hillary clinton. it would potentially be good for donald trump because he could define himself and move more to the center, so maybe it will happen. the whole price tag thing, trump has said this before. he seems to be suggesting that the money should come from a television network. maybe because it would be a huge spectacle and a great pregame -- john: if i were in charge of television and i had to take $15 million out of my advertising haul, i would make that deal in a heartbeat. i would make a deal. with trump, again, this is the last day, i'll do it, and people say it is a joke, who knows. the key here is it would be terrible for hillary clinton if this happened. mark: i will tell you one thing. bernie sanders off of that debate would raise a lot of money. john: another reason it is bad for every c

hosted by fox news, cruz annouced he wants to tango with the front runner for a mano-a-mano, lincoln-douglas style debate, infront of voters on saturday. "i'm gonna propose a venue, western iowa tech, saturday night, sioux city, we already have it reserved," said cruz. but those in charge at western iowa tech had no idea about cruz's major plans. "when they originally booked the room, it was simply for him to have a forum here for individuals to come here and hear him talk. and i uh heard about it last night after receiving a text from a fellow employee saying they heard on fox news about the challege," said jasman. the college is not opposed to the dual, but would need to make appropriate crowds, considering both candidates are leading in polls. "we would need to make sure that our security department was informed as to what was going on...it would be very unique for our campus to have that happen here, it would be very unique for sioux city as well, it's just that we are limited in our space here. i would think they would have an overwhelming response of people that would want to be here,"

locked in a tight battle for first place ted cruz is now >> 90 minutes you and me, lincoln douglas style and if that scares you we can do a town hall. >> reporter: don champion cbs news, new york. >>> trump says instead of going to the debate he will host a fundraiser for wounded veterans. >>> the leader of a group of protesters occupying a federal wildlife refuge in oregon is now under arrest. during that arrest. protester leveau finnegan was shot and killed. it started when the leader of the group was arrested, amman bundy. shots were fired. it is not clear who fired first. several others were also arrested, they are all part of the armed group that took over a federal wildlife refuge this of federal land. >>> take a good look. miami dade police need your help to find this missing man. his name is jose rodriguez and he is 88 years old. he disappeared from 178th yesterday. last seen wearing a pink shirt black dress pants and black loafers. he was driving a 4 door 2009 nissan like the one you see on your screen there. rod rodriguez suffers from memory loss and may need assistance returni