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muslim and america. stay with us, it's "inside story". >> the only live national news show at 11:00 eastern. >> we start with breaking news. >> let's take a closer look. >> i'm ray suarez, and you're watching "inside story". muslim and american this time on the program. the institute for social understanding asked muslim americans about their views on politics, civil engagement, the will you and violence. i'm talking with richard, talib, and dahlia. do you have a multicultural congregation? >> 60% african-american and the rest is diverse. >> have they felt the same pressures, right here where we are, just a few miles where a jet slammed into the pentagon and things chilled after that, by common consent, did your members feel that same chill? >> absolutely, we all have a human soul, and what we call ourselves as far as faith identity, we felt the same thing, so we felt the same. it wasn't different because we're here as muslims, we're americans, as african-americans, the feeling was the same. >> i want to

host: how do muslims fix that? you are looking at 1.5 million muslims worldwide. we are looking at the people turning to violent extremism, it continues to be an absolutely small percentage of the muslim community. it is more the responsibility of the select it. san bernardino showed us there is a huge gap in our media. it is up to legislators to understand and try to put a whole group of people in terms of action. american muslims have a role to play. but from americans, not from muslim side. it is every americans role to fight extremism just as it is their role to fight discrimination. otherwise, our lines are as usual -- president obama after the san bernadino attacks talked about the role of muslim americans have to play in this effort. this is part of his speech. [video clip] inif we are to succeed defeating terrorism, we must analyst muslim communities of some of our strongest allies rather than push them away suspicion and hate. that does not mean denying the an extremist ideology has spread within some muslim communities. this is a real problem that muslim

and there were muslims -- most muslims did not necessarily support president bush. i think you will always find in any community that has been subjugated to racism and homophobia and bigotry there will always be some who feel it is important to go beyond the call of duty to placate to those who are calling for greater discrimination against them. so i can't speak as to why these folks are supporting mr. trump? they have that right to support mr. trump. but i would caution them in their strategy against conceding any kind of dignity to win favor with a bully. as anyone who has dealt with a bully knows that once you give up your lunch money, it will not stop. and i think that -- and keith and i are in new jersey and new york all of the time with muslims who do not support mr. trump, with muslims who are very critical of mr. trump. with muslims who have articulated an agenda -- a progressive agenda that speaks to the sentiment in our country. so i think that is a small section. i'm not familiar with their background. in fact, some of the muslims that i know that have w

muslims, that was anti-muslim hate and bigotry. and so it is officials -- in private individuals, think it is very important and i hope one of the messages that gets through is it is not just bad individuals acting badly there is an official component to this and it must be addressed and we're not going to stop talking about it. but, you know, more recently, we -- we've gotten threats. one thing is that andre and i and other murslims engaged in american political life and british muslims engaged in british political life have been thre threatened by daesh because we don't do it the way they say we should do it. so we're dealing with it on both sides. people proclaim islam who are haters and killers like daesh and the trumps of the world. and it is frequent but we are undaunted. >> and one more. you both seem to feel that you need to speak for the entire muslim community as the only muslim representatives in congress. are there other members of congress who are standing up with you, strongly and who might be? >> oh, yeah. absolutely

i don't have any problem with muslims being republican. i know a lot of republican muslims.ut they don't appreciate being scapegoated. and i think -- i listened to donald trump talk about last night about the police and law and order, but he didn't talk about the blacpeople being shot. only the policeman's lives mattered. so i am saying that to say all of us have to look at these words. we don't use them just to gain votes. >> all lives matter -- >> but all lives can't matter until black lives matter, police lives matter, gay lives matter, mexican lives matter. when that happens, then all lives matter. and because they don't, we have to draw attention to the lives that are being marginalized. and as a muslim, i am offended by newt gingrich saying we should give a religious test. i was offended by that. >> at the same time, i had a great conversation with newt gingrich a few times because of the fact i felt like a was the only muslim who was engaging with him. i think republicans are really struggling to come to terms with -- if muslims are not there to educate them, how are

, the muslim world. the new saudi regime is finally trying to contain the spread of radical islam. but look at this interview with one of the most powerful men in saudi islam, the former imam of the grand mosque. we have the same beliefs as isis, he says. we share their ideology. but we express it in a more refined way. >> that ideology is still being preached in saudi arabia from the mosques. >> remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from saudi arabia, so did osama bin laden. and one more person who is from saudi arabia, tashfeen malik. the wife in the san bernardino killings. >> malik came from pakistan. she later moved to saudi arabia. >> so malik lived in saudi arabia and pakistan, and to what country has saudi arabia most lavishly and successfully exported its ideology? pakistan. its saudi-funded mosques preach a message much like the message of wahhabism. tashfeen malik, the san bernardino killer, is a product of radical islam globalized by saudi money. >>> up next, a crucial question. when

sometimes by muslims. we have to be consistent in condemning hateful rhetoric in violence against everyone, and that includes against muslims here in the united states of america. [ applause ] >> none of us can be silent. we can't be bystanders to bigotry. together we've got to show that america truly protects all fait faiths, which brings me to my next point. as we protect our country from terrorism, we should not reinforce the whered and the rhetoric of the terrorists themselves. i often hear it said that we need more clarity. the suggestion is somehow that if i would simply say these are all islamic terrorists, then we would actually assault thave so problem by now apparently. i agree we do need moral clarity. let's have some moral clarity. groups like -- groups like isil are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portrait themselves as religious leaders and holy warriors who speak for islam. i refuse to give them legitimacy. we must never give them that legitimacy. [ applause ] they're not -- they're no

29 in western countries. 42% of french muslims, 35% of british muslims, and 26% of american muslims believe suicide bombings against nonmuslims can be justified. this is the next generation of muslims speaking. a majority of muslims surveyed, 53% said they want sharia or islamic law to be the law of the land in muslim majority countries. of those who said they want sharia to be the law of the land, over 52% said they support whippings and cutting off of hands or feet. it comes to about 281 million people. do you think that's a radical belief? and 51% say they're in favor of stoning spouses if they're unfaithful which equals 289 million people. of course, not every muslim believes in these things, but hundreds of millions do. the numbers are right here. for all to see. it's time for an honest conversation. about one of the most important issues of our time. by silencing the debate about radical islamic believes, we abandon our roll call with use of truth, free speech, and tolerance. we abandon human rights in favor of political correctness. together we have begun the conversation. now it's t

how can the muslims fix that?uest: it's an image problem but i don't the goods for the muslims to fix. there are 1.5 billion muslims worldwide. are we look at the people talking to violent extremism, it is a small percentage of the muslim community. it's more the responsibility of the collective. it includes the media doing responsible reporting. san bernadino showed us there is a huge gap in our media. it is up to legislators to understand collective punishment thing all group of people and terms of a percentage of action and american muslims have a role to play. think it's every american's responsibility to fight any form of extremism like it's every american's responsibility to fight any form of discrimination. we've got a special line from muslim americans. otherwise, our lines are as usual -- president obama after the san bernadino attacks talked about the role of muslim americans have to play in this effort. this is part of his speech. [video clip] inif we are to succeed defeating terrorism, we must analyst

but i can say all day that muslims unequivocally condemn terrorism as someone who is not muslim.i have very little legitimacy, apart from the data. it's not as compelling as the general emotional fear and anger that i have seen from muslim group leaders, who are concerned that the media motif of an angry muslim. if you go on fox news and become angry, you only further the stereotype about angry muslims. but there is anger that is just anger about attacks on your religion. vendor is anger that is equally genuine, towards groups like isis and daesh. and that needs to come out. there has been a lot of understandable hesitation about whether that is a good idea. given what i've shown you today, the time has gone for that type of corrective discourse. a majority of americans now have this conspiracy theory in their heads. you can't simply throw facts at the problem. in fact, some recent research in political science and social security shows the more facts your throw in people that believe in a conspiracy theory, they actually double down and it exacerbates the spread of rumor. i will

these mainstream muslim organizations that increase the profile of anti-muslim organizations. what muslim groups were saying in their messages. you may not be able to read this. on the top, this is the number of press releases per day from 2001 to 2003. you can see it was very common for organizations to dispatch press releases that condemned anti-muslim sentiment. these were things like the crimes against muslims, controversies about whether obama should be able to pray an airport, so on and so forth. many organizations were critical about these types of issues. of thewer line shows all press releases that were picked that condemned anti-muslim sentiment. you can see the majority of their voice in the media was condemning anti-muslim sentiment. this tag here describes the number of press releases that condemned terrorism. theps of al qaeda, then first and foremost organization. sliver, describes the number of press releases by mainstream muslim organizations that received any media coverage. you can imagine for a moment that you are an american with very little information ab

they didn't. >> why are they arguing about muslims and what was done or not done in terms of muslims. the muslim tag that they're trying make as a broad statement about a faith we didn't hear. >> in the days following 9/11 i had gone to ground zero with the then senator hillary clinton where she had done a great job in comforting people. in the days following that, president bush as well as senator clinton and others went and met muslims. many went to mosques. this is a small group of terrorists we're trying to get and bush was very careful on this issue and this is what is so alarming about what donald trump is doing. if we want to have any hope of staying safe we need intelligence from the muslim community. if we want hope of repairing this world we have to stop bashing muslims and if we have a president that is on record as mb that me lines muslims we're in a world of hurt. >> why didn't we see this emerge in the 2008 election, 2012? even 2004 which was the election right after 2001, the attack. it was never like this. in terms of trying to identify all muslims as terrorists and so

muslims are people who call themselves muslims implicated in some very terrifying recent events. most recently, the san bernardino attacks. but when we look at the numbers azumi colleague charlie has done, we see quite clearly that we should be much more afraid of a variety of other tlets to our well being than terrorism or least the threat of terrorism, there's no clear cut evidence that it's increasing on an exponential scale. maybe it's isis. this terrifying, new organization that has proven that it can take over large swaths of territory, committed horrific acts of terror against u.s. citizens and dwrueuropean citizens, proven the capacity to do terrorism like paris and yet i'm going to show you the story begins years before isis was even around. maybe this is just 9/11, you might ask. maybe this is simply a story about a kind of butterfly effect. so, you know, most americans pre- 9/11, you know, could -- barely knew any muslims so the survey data we have suggested less than one in three every americans had ever met a muslim which is probably shocking and i think it's reasona

therefor, myself as a muslim, as an imam and a leader of a muslim community here in the united states, i was the rhetoric started in the recent couple of months. it is something that we are getting used to as muslim communities here in the united states, at that's from my part. jim: i'd like to answer your question directly but before doing that let me mention that cedar rapids is a model muslim community. heather: yes it is. jim: the oldest mosque in north america. one that is really integrally brought into the mmunity. one of the aspects of the muslim faith is a great deal of emphasis on charity. people from this particular mosque have been very charitable to the community with active participation in community drives for hospitals, for community centers, libraries, et cetera. we, that have anything to do with cedar rapids, are immensely appreciative of the mosque and it. in terms of youruestion, it isn't something that emanates exactly frfr the political process but it's been reflected in the political process. you have a mutually reinforcing set of concerns. with some understndab

the world has 1.6 billion muslims. how many muslims are we talking about?eady to strap bombs on their bodies and blow us all up to smithereens. >> 300 million muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? can that really be true? donald trump offers even higher percentages. >> it's 27%. could be 35% who would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> fox news anchor chris wallace had just told the gop front-runner the facts. >> according to the best experts, think tanks all around the world, they say at most, 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right. trump is wrong. scholars and experts we spoke to agree. the number of jihadis worldwide is somewhere between 1 and 200,000, not hundreds of millions. how did they come up with those results? simple math. they added up the estimated memberships of all islamic terror networks worldwide. 1/100th of 1% of all muslims around the world. but despite the consensus, the myth persists. >> you say 223 million muslims -- >> why don't you take a look at the pew poll that came out very recently. >>

extremism and extrapolate it to all muslims in the world and say well, any real muslim is going to buynto this because this is what their faith is. >> and fear, inc. the center of american progress identified a small number of muslim activists that are pushing an extreme view of islam and spending tens of thousands of dollars to exaggerate the threat of islamic domination and the qur'an. >> this message, it says, is then pushed out through a fast network of media and grassroots organizations. >> okay, the teachings of islam does not say that it has to kill. >> it says to kill the infidels wherever you find them. >> ma'am, i'll lend you my qur'an. >> the leader of the counter jihad coalition the group that this woman is volunteering forgets its support from act america. >> if there is a danger of sharia law. you it's one of the largest anti-islamic groups in the reports. this extreme view of islam is being echoed at the highest levels of american politics. >> calling for a temporary shutdown of muslims entering the united states until we can figure out what is going on. >> when trump ca

-- the islamic -- the muslim -- let me tell you my experience with american muslims. young man who grew up in afghanistan, went to high school in afghanistan, graduated from high school, came i think to chicago, can't remember his american hometown, joined the army, went back to afghanistan as an interpreter, took me over to his former high school where they were having election polling wearing the uniform. his job was to guard me and the general that went with me. there were about eight or ten of us. embraced the principle. he started crying and that's my view of american muslims out there in the fight, but if you duo have a radical mosque or a radical preacher or a radical whatever, is it okay to follow them and monitor what they duo? >> so i think -- i think there's a difference between somebody who has radical thoughts or is espousing radical thoughts and then actual violence. i think as you can certainly appreciate, senator graham, having a radical thoughts is not illegal. some would actually say it's downright american. >> i agree. but it's not downright america

of the 30,000 dead were muslims. terrorists don't just hate america or the west, they hate the modern world and they particularly hate muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear, while the jihadis are few, there is a larger cancer within the world of islam of backwardness and extremism and intolerance, most of the countries that have laws that restrict the laws of free -- most are muslim majority. but are these things inherent in the religion? when experts tried to explain in the 14th century that the world was add vavanceadvanced, they a that it can change. islam after all has been around for 14 centuries. it is the same religion then and now, so what is different? it is not theology, it is politics. radical islam is is it product of the broken politics and stagnant economics of countries, an ideology that is now being exported to alienated young muslims everywhere in europe and even in some rare cases in the united states. so how to end this. there's really only one way, help the majority of

they are killing muslims. most of the blood on the hands of daesh and al qaeda and these maniacs are people who are muslim. there is no love for these people, or al-shabaab. when al-shabaab kills people in somalia, who are they killing? cares think boko haram about the religion of the people they are blowing up or the girls they are stealing and raping? no, these are homicidal maniacs who quest one thing -- power. that is what they want, and they need a legitimacy. the united states, where islam is a minority religion -- you may not sense this, but in places where islam is the majority religion, anti-muslims who live in america, islam is a good thing. why wouldn't these murderers sort of try to cover themselves with it, and use it to legitimate their evil, just like the klan says, we are christians, or timothy mcveigh says he's a freedom fighter? this is simply exploiting a philosophy beloved by literally over one billion people to legitimate their wickedness. that's my take on the problem. >> from the statist

it is we muslims who speak on its behalf.tiful passage in the koran, one of many beautiful passages that states, god does not change the condition of a people until they change what is inside themselves. >> reporter: and to those who say, well, you are cherry picking what do you say? >> i say, yes. that's correct. and so are you. by not acknowledging the freedom loving verses of the koran. >> reporter: as you can see, islam can be used in many ways, but the question remains -- why is an intolerant and violent interpretation of the religion flourishing in important parts of the muslim world? it all starts, believe it or not with an american pop song. ♪ ♪ there is no typical day. there is nothing typical about making movies. i'm victoria alonso and i'm an executive producer... ...at marvel studios. we are very much hands-on producers. if my office... ...becomes a plane or an airport the surface pro's perfect. fast and portable but also light. you don't do this 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for... ...decades if you don't feel it

across the middle it says -- which means the brothers of the muslim or the muslim brotherhood. and taken from koran 8:16 is the word which means prepare yourselves to terrify your adversaries with deeds of war or weapons of war. that is the motto of the muslim brotherhood. by the spring of 2010 we had come to a point that a cvp officer was literally moving linking information meaning the dots on muslim brotherhood linked individuals from text while the administration was bringing the very same individuals in to positioning of influence to help create and implement our counterterrorism policy both in the domestic arena and in foreign policy arena, as evidenced in our overt support of the muslim brotherhood in egypt, libya, algeria and syria. fast forward to august 30, 2011, the tabliq court case was approved by the chief counsel of the department of homeland security. and this is an icon of the movement, one of the largest in the world outside of the united states, called the army of darkness. i began a tdy assignment meaning temporary duty at the national targeting center in no

we take a deeper look at muslim politics. how they view the race from the white house >>> our top story this saturday night, mexico's most wanted man has been captured again. he may now face the rest of his life though in an american prison. mexico hopes to grant a u.s. request to extradite joaquin guzman. he is thought to run a violent multi billion dollar drug empire. the king pin was captured on friday after a three-hour shoot out in his home town. our correspondent has more from mexico. >> reporter: on saturday mexican authorities removed the bodies of five men killed in the raid that led to joaquin guzman's arrest. as experts looked for more clues, authorities started to layout steps on how he could be extradited to the u.s. to face charges. according to the mexican attorney-general's office, extradition could come in a matter of weeks or months, depending on legal road blocks miss lawyers are expected to raise. he was recaptured in 2014, the attorney-general joked that he could serve time in the u.s. only of after servi

sometimes by muslims. we have to be consistent in condemning hateful rhetoric and violence against everyone, and that includes against muslims here in the united states of america. [applause] so, none of us can be silent. we can't be bystanders to bigotry. and together we've got to show that america truly protects all faiths. which brings me to my next point. as we protect our country from terrorism, we should not reinforce the ideas and rhetoric of the terrorists themselves. i often hear it said that we need more clarity in this fight. the suggestion is some how that if i would simply say these are all islamic terrorists, thin we would actually have solved the problem by now, apparently. well, i agree with actually do need moral clarity. let's have moral clarity. groups like isil are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portray themselves as religious leaders and holy warriors who speak for islam. i refuse to give them legitimacy. [applause] we must never give them that legitimacy. [applause] we're not--

it is we muslims who speak on its behalf. is a beautiful passage, one of many, that states god does not change the condition of a people until they change what is inside themselves. >> and to those who say, well, you are cherry picking, what do you say? >> i say yes, that's correct and so are you by not acknowledging the freedom loving verses of the curon. >> why is it flourishing in important parts of the muslim world? it all starts, believe it or not, with an american pop song. ♪ i am rich. with fans clamoring for our next hit album, we return to our extravagant private studio, where we turn gold into platinum. yes, i am rich. that's why i drink the champagne of beers. they give awards for spelling but everyone knows cheese.s. cracker barrel has won awards for their delicious cheddar and they put that cheddar in a new macaroni & cheese. can you spell delicious? delicious. d. e. l... figure out -- >> the wife in the san bernardino terrorist attacks. >> how and where was the 29-year-old mother of a new born radicalized? >> ho

muslims across the world. i am finished. host: manal omar? guest: thank you. that is a good point and one i tried to emphasize when i talked about the broad links in terms of muslims in america. i emphasize that it is really important that when we are making that description, there is not an attempt to say, by having white muslims, do not be afraid of us, because we are feeding the racial divide in america, that somehow white makes everyone else ok. and we have a problem of white privilege. we have a problem tilt into our institution. so many people he telling me to take off the scarf, and that saddens me. i pass for white. what is it that makes me safe by taking off the scarf? i think that is a little bit of a fearful statement. not that he was saying that. host: when did you hear that statement? .uest: recently even from my own family, they have said to take off the scarf because we are worried for you. i will not lie, when i travel, i will wear a hat and try to blend in. but it is a scary statement that sim

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the world has 1.6 billion muslims, how many muslims are we talking about?le who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies and blow us all up in smithereens. >> 300 million people ready to strap bombs to their body? could that really be true? donald trump offers even higher percentages. >> it's 27%, could be 35% would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> chris wallace had just shown the front-runner the facts. >> they say at most 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right, trump is wrong. scholars and experts we spoke to agree. the number of gjihadis worldwid is somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000, not hundreds of millions. how did that come up with that? simple math. they added up the memberships of all islamic terror networks worldwide. that adds up to 1/100 of 1% of muslims around the world. but despite the numbers, the myth persists. >> why don't you take a look at the pugh poll that came out very recently. >> we did take a look. and we couldn't find any poll by pew that bore any resem -- would go to war with the u.s. nor as

and i think probably more reasonable to say they didn't knowingly meet a muslim because muslims have been in the united states since the beginning of our history as many of you probably know. but nevertheless, an event of the scale of 9/11 surely would provoke some type of back lash. interestingly what we see is actually an uptick in positive sentiment toward muslims and specifically muslim americans after the 9/11 attacks. we don't see a steady growth, kind of wave like growth of antimuslim sentiment from 9/11 on. in fact, if we go back to the immediate aftermath of 9/11, prominent republicans such as george w. bush were, in fact, outwardly going out of their way to say islam is a religion of peace, were criticizing various evangelical leaders who had said a variety of disparaging things about muslims, and this image here is bush meeting with numerous leaders of muslim american organizations among them the current leader on the council of american islamic relations, an organization which now faces pervasive allegations it tacitly condones terrorism. i'll say more about that in a lit

i am not a moderate muslim. i am a reformist, and that means somebody who recognizes that the koran contains three times as many verses calling on muslims to engage in critical thinking rather than blind submission, and in that sense reformist muslims are at least as authentic as the so-called moderates. >> okay. so, things are changing. and i will explain what i mean by that in just a moment. but let me start with the concept of the moderate muslim. i mentioned in my video for "the guardian" that very often moderates are marked by defensiveness. defensiveness, first and foremost, about western imperialism. so much so that they're distracted from dealing with the imperialists within islam itself. the extremists. who study after study shows target and kill muslims on far greater numbers than do foreign imperial powers. so, defensiveness is one hallmark of the moderate muslim. another hallmark, though, is fear. and fear of what? well, as i also explained fear of busting out of group identity. and what i mean by th

muslims are killing muslims in iran, sunni and shia. people should look beyond their immediate environment. if you do that, you will be better informed and you'll have a different idea. okay, let me see if this is true, then what will i do? so many people are talking about some of these issues and i was telling them before we came in, why i decided to come out just to have the program here, even though this is the only program i have, we have the white house, the state department, but to come here, this is where i'm talking to people and by thousands of people, these are the messages we keep on sending out to people, especially in our position as muslim leaders of this world, because we lost 19 million of course it's not a small figure. it's not a small big but how you manage them, bring them all together is anner u, it's a different thing. we are doing that. we brought everybody together. we speak with one voice. if we have 85%, 90%, the other 10% who don't even care and go to sudan because majority wins and the majority of all of thos

the conventional wisdom that trump and muslims could never agree on a ban of muslims coming into the u.s. this time the conventionem wisdom, say it with me, is wrong. the campaign is reportedly reaching out to muslim voters and in just a moment you are going to meet the man behind the group muslims for trump. the search intensifies for the black boxes of egyptair flight 804, was it terrorism, or a tragic accident? >> let's get to the man behind the muslims for trump. i have had you on a number of times for vice on hbo, good to have you both on. >> why do you support donald trump? >> first of all, let me say thank you for having me on your show. there are several reasons first of all that radical islam i believe is not only -- it's a the first time the first candidate who has brought it on the table looked it eye to eye and said i'm america first. safety of first. we are american muslims and it is very important for us as well and -- >> how are your muslim friends reacting to this? >> in the beginning it was hard but now frankly speaking they are joining, coming listening to his messa

him a muslim. it would be nice if he came out and said he was a muslim. he hasn't done that, it would be great if it did. i don't think the speech he made, when he talked about making sure the muslims are seen, as part of the fabric. you don't here that kind of stuff coming from the leading republican contenders. saying you want to sit with ben carson and trump and others, nears are people that will never be registered. >> only because very have muslim advisors, why do we note see them on the captain trail. we see them on the democratic managers. >> that plays to his point. that is why they are leaning - muslims move to the democratic site. they don't seem to embrace minorities. >> i feel like if our islamic values align, we should have equal value. >> islamic values are about justice as well. >> they are more espoused by the democratic party than the republican party. >> they are coming to the party of ethnic isolation. we know make america grate means make america white again. >> let me jump in q

muslim majority countries. what i'd like to do in our discussion is talk about muslims as minorities. in the context of the united states. and within the united states, especially within the contest of what we're seeing politically, how can you reflect, could you reflect on the place for muslims here in the united states, as a minority community. >> well first of all, we have to remember that muslims have been here from the start. there's substantial historical evidence that's proven that at certain periods, about one-fifth of the slaves that were brought here were muslims. we have handwritten korans from slaves. we have arabic letters from slaves. prince ibrahim is another example of that. so we also have the earliest example of a white convert to islam as george bethune english. who got his master's degree, which was the highest degree at the time, at harvard. harvard was teaching arabic alongside hebrew. if you get the first addition, in fact some. slergss you can buy it, of noah webster's 1828 dictionary. t

and those perceived to be muslim. these hate incidents are not near statistics. they affect real people and families. most importantly our children. late last year mother told the story of her daughter sophia. sophia began collecting all of her favorite things in a bag fearing that the military would come to take her family away because they are muslim as sad as this story is the response from u.s. army veterans who have heard the story was powerful and touching. veterans posted images on social media of themselves in uniform with this message to this child. i will protect you. since the tragic events in orlando, muslim advocates along with americans from all walks of life have stood with our friends in the lgbt q community. you see, we are not willing to give up on america. the idea that a group of people diverse in every imaginable way can form a lasting bond based on the shared principle of freedom, justice, and equality for all. some would dismiss this as political correctness. to me, it is a belief in the power o

that's often the case here in germany, that muslim communities are more liberal, because most muslimshere come from turkey wher islam is often more moderate than in other regions of the world. and that's particularly the case for the sufi dervishes who delight tourists with their whirling dances -- but also want to show that islam is about more than fundamentalism extremism. >> istanbul, the city on the bosphorus, offers a host of attractions. everything from its old palaces and mosques to its whirling dervishes enthrall visitors to this thriving metropolis. these dancers are muslims who strive to get closer to god through their movements. carine gug from france came to istanbul to find out more about the whirling dervishes. they're adherents of sufism, often called the mystical dimension of islam. their religion is more about searching for meaning and spiritual development than dogma and interdictions. >> it's about forgetting yourself, leaving your ego behind while you're whirling, and thinking about god. that's the path that the koran shows us, if you read it properly. at least tha

you don't need a muslim culprit to usher in legislation that focuses just on muslims. that attack was committed by a handful of white males who conspired. so they introduced legislation that focused specifically on muslim americans. even though the culprit was a white christian >>> talking about something that has happened in this neighborhood, the surveillance activities that were carried out by former police commissioner, not only new york but elsewhere, can you tell me about the personal impact that that program which i understand has been discontinued but when it was in progress, did the do any good and how much harm did the do? >> tremendous harm to the psyche of the new york metro area muslim, community family. there were actually secret surveillance and msas, muslim student associations, so organizations in the city, the city of new york system. 18 year old kids. how would you like it if your kid belonged to a muslim organization in school, just like you can be part of a christian or jewish jewish, but how would you like spies spying on your kid without represen

in the muslim world. ok. sure. and so it's a good question. it's a very good question. the answer is that you're never going to get 100% of people that ll refuse to follow an ideologyal extremist narrative, but the majority of people and the majority of people living in saudi arabia are not interested in living the lifestyle of which you just depicked and the majority of syrians aren't interested in that as well. so sometimes it could be a mean to -- means to an end or sometimes it's a pathway because no other alternative exists. that's why i'm saying you need an alternative pathway that's more in line with how the majority of muslims want to live today and the majority of muslims want to live the same lifestyle that everybody in this room are living right now. it's about connecting and building bridges and offering that opportunity that i'm talking about creating here. and if we're always going to be thinking to be 2% or the 3% of people that will never pull over, quite frankly and i don't think it's all

and non-muslim alike. trouble is there is a large number of people who do think this is god's will to make everyone conform to sharia and use whatever techniques, violent kind expressed by groups or other types, something called hidrum colonization or stelfi that the muslim brotherhood calls civilization jihad deaf it is an arrangement that will govern the entire planet. we are in the way. >> armstrong: they want all these things, all the things that frank mentioned. are we allowing this to happen through our laws? through how we monitor this? financial institutions? government? how are we making this possible to happen not only just in our lifetime but many lifetimes to come. >> we are facilitating this, u.s. government is helping this to spread because of perversion of how we do intelligence and analyze the enemy. everybody knows if you want to win the war, you have to know why you are fighting and who the enemy is. for many years now, this isn't just the obama administration. this started unfortunately

most of. -- has a muslim. -- as a muslim. jonathan: there are lots of horrible mass shootings done by people in the united states for a variety of reasons. are we talking about preventing mass killings and violence, or are we talking about just criticizing muslims? it seems we should focus on preventing these massive attacks, rather than just saying that muslims are the problem. you've had how many instances of muslims creating -- committing acts of terror in the united states since 9/11? according to the center for american progress report about a year and a half ago, there have been twice as many right-wing perpetrators as there have been acts ofwho perpetrated terror in united states or acts of violence since 9/11. why focus on muslims?it's a media frenzy . laura: it's not a media frenzy. this is the man who is possibly going to be the next president of the united states, and these are points that he is making. the question is -- jonathan: are you saying that donald trump's opinion is somehow valid because he is donald tru