jonathan metzl.e department of medicine, health, and society, at vanderbilt. his new book is "what we've become, living and dying in a country of arms." dr. metzl, thanks for joining us. the key message here in your book is that people who have long fought for better gun-control measures including yourself, things like red flag laws and background checks, that they have been arguing for this public health approach and you argue that approach is wrong. can you explain a little bit? dr. metzl: i would not say it is wrong. i would say i have done the last five years doing a deep dive into very traumatic and racially charged mass shooting that happen here in my hometown of nashville. what i found is that on the one hand, i'm an advocate for gun laws. i think we need stronger national gun laws. but as i uncovered the before and after of the case and really tracked the story of how not just a mentally ill white man, but a naked white man, how did a guy like that even get a gun, how did he get to the waffle

welcoming jonathan metzl and batsmen noveck. thank you so much. thank you for having us.me wish you congratulations not on the book, but on the super bowl. yeah. yeah. this is an important event. kansas city from city. that's an it's an important day for you, but also on the book. obviously it has gotten astounding, as you heard not only from dyson, but the new york times named it a staff pick and editors choice was a phenomenal review today in the globe, kirkus reviews hailed it as a powerful, convincing effort to reframe the discussion around gun control and its discontents. so i want to just start off by asking to set the stage for us really how you came to write this book and really start with this story. hundred million guns in this country. you framed this around this 2018 waffle house shooting, which obviously happened in your backyard. but i'm wondering if you could just start us off by explaining to us why you chose this of all the sadly mass and individual shootings, why you framed this book around this story and how it came to be? well, first, thank you. it is

doctor metzl as always, thank you very much for coming to the show.quote, and i'm going to read this long quote. mass shootings push americans into different corners, with different notions of morality. when a far better response would be to renew a basic social contract of american civic life, in which people are asked to give up and willingly cede, particular individual freedoms, in exchange for communal health, security, and immunity. what do you propose we do? >> well, the book tells the story of a mass shooting that happened in nashville in 2018, the national waffle house mass shooting. and part of the reason i wrote that it was it was a very familiar story about a horrific, and in this case, a racially charged mass shooting. and then in the aftermath, we went into all of these different camps, right. there were people like me who were for gun control, other people were like, we need all of this stuff. and people rushed out and bought guns, and all of these things. and so, i'm trying to look at first, how did we get here? how do we get to the poi

now i am so pleased to introduce tonight's speakers jonathan metzl is frederick b rentschler, the second professor of sociology and psychiatry and the director of medicine and society at the vanderbilt. the award winning author dying of whiteness how the politics of racial resentment is killing america's heartlands and other books. he hails from kansas city, missouri and lives in nashville, tennessee he is joined in conversation tonight by beth simone noveck professor at northeastern university and director of the burn center for social. jonathan metzl is presenting his new book, what we've living and dying in a country of arms and what we've become. metzl reckons both with long history of distrust of public health, larger forces, social ideological, historical, racial and, political that allow mass shootings occur on a nearly daily basis. america. looking closely at the cycle in which matt's mass shootings lead to shock horror calls for action and ultimately political gridlock, he explores what happened to the soul of a nation and the meaning of safety community. when we normalize viole

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jonathan metzl and beth simone noveck. [applause] >> reporter: let me wish you congratulations.this is important, from kansas city, an important day for you but also on the book obviously. it has gotten astounding reviews not only from dyson but the new york times named a staff pic and editor's choice, phenomenal review, a powerful, convincing effort to reframe the discussion on gun control. so i want to start by asking you to set the stage with how you came to write this book and start with a this story, 400 million guns in this country, you framed this around the waffle house shooting which happened in your backyard. if you could start by explaining why you chose this of all the many individual shootings, why you framed the book around the story and how it came to be. >> it's an honor to be here for so many reasons. it is great to be part of this ongoing conversation about a story that i'm telling but we are all part of in this country which is what do we do and it's not like i'm like i studied this. it is more like i would like to raise some questions about how we got here to

jonathan metzl and author of "what we've become: living and dying in a country of arms."t this. leave aside fawning over mangione, you have a problem with how people are reacting to why he allegedly did what he did. and what's motivating it. >> i just think this is an incredibly dangerous, slippery slope, particularly for the left. i've been studying mass shootings for 15 years. i can give you a long list of shooters with a manifesto we didn't agree with. colorado shooter with a racist manifesto, other people who shot people for reasons we didn't agree with, rittenhouse, and we immediately, morally and rightly said this is not who we are, shouldn't be who we are as a country, and tied the ideology espoused, we're rejecting this. now we have a shooter that some people agree with and try to change the rules. >> what rules are we quote, unquote trying to change? >> we've thrown out core positions, the left. part of the issue is we don't take seriously the manifesto if someone is mentally disturbed. we think this is a -- a shooting is a shooting. don't say the shooter's name

welcoming jonathan metzl and batsmen noveck. thank you so much. thank you for having us. first, let me wish you congratulations not on the book, but on the super bowl. yeah. yeah. this is an important event. kansas city from city. that's an it's an important day for you, but also on the book. obviously it has gotten astounding, as you heard not only from dyson, but the new york times named it a staff pick and editors choice was a phenomenal review today in the globe, kirkus reviews hailed it as a powerful, convincing effort to reframe the discussion around gun control and its discontents. so i want to just start off by asking to set the stage for us really how you came to write this book and really start with this story. hundred million guns in this country. you framed this around this 2018 waffle house shooting, which obviously happened in your backyard. but i'm wondering if you could just start us off by explaining to us why you chose this of all the sadly mass and individual shootings, why you framed this book around this story and how it came to be? well, first, thank

jamie metzl the author of the book super convergence joins us now. way he is not rewriting history by saying that he was open to all aspects and theories. >> so, brian,as you know, i was at the center of this debate from early in 2020. i'm a democrat. i'm actually a fan of dr. fauci but it's just irrefutable that certainly over the course of 2020 dr. fauci was saying over and over again that the overwhelming weight of the evidence supported the natural origin or the market origin and the right answer at that time was hey, we don't know there's a real possibility it could be a research related origin. there is a real possibility it could be a natural origin and we are going to investigate all origin hypotheses. by putting his finger on the scale in favor of the natural origin hypotheses he played a role in suppressing the kind of essential debate and ultimately investigation that we needed. >> brian: this is what drives me nuts about him, jamie. everybody understands you can't get everybody right. he could say i was wrong to label it a conspiracy theo

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jamie metzl, thank you so much for joining us on that. hang tight.enior military leaders are reacting to trump's pick for dissents defense secretary. that is next. >>> meet the new boss , very different than the old boss. the current pentagon chief, lloyd austin, retired army four star general who led u.s. forces in iraq, that the potential next candidate pete hegseth doesn't share confidence in what he will do. inside is at best skeptical and senior leadership describe it as ridiculous, an effing nightmare, and they are worried about heck seth pete hegseth -- america. paul you know pete hegseth, or you met him before. you have been receiving strong reactions from people who are in service perhaps in the pentagon as well. >> yeah, i have known pete hegseth a long time . anybody who watches fox news. we actually co-authored an op-ed together at wall street journal years ago when we were trying to reform the va. pete is a well-known character in the community, and he is absolutely totally unqualified for this job, maybe the most unqualified nominee in

jamie metzl, senator marshall. senator, when are you going to be able to say that u.s. taxpayer dollars were used in the wuhan lab? >> i think first of all we need to remember why this is so important. we need to find out the origins of covid so it doesn't happen again so we honor the million americans who lost their lives and get some closure for their family. 15 million americans with long covid. so to answer your question, look, there is a lengthy amount of evidence that suggests that really proves that this virus was made in the lab in wuhan, china. we will talk about that today. and expect to try to get -- we need to get to a 9/11 style commission. get it out of the bright lights and cameras of d.c. and take it to kansas city and investigate it further. i think today we'll talk to experts and most of them are going to be talking about why this virus was made in wuhan and we funded bits and pieces of this viral gain-of-function research. >> martha: last night on rachel maddow anthony fauci is out again promoting another book about his leadership during covid and a l

covid whistleblower job and family metzl joins us now. many times early in these emails. >> six times in the beginning of it. >> he didn't like that you were asking questions and a lot of it on our show. >> i was asking questions on your show and elsewhere and i'm a democrat so i was saying hey, we don't know the answer in those early growing mountain of circumstantial evidence. very likely drops research related incident in wuhan and these guys were closed to that possibility. >> brian: they went out of their way to stop being their words were we don't want any of our emails being on the front page of the "new york times." what were they trying to hide? >> what they were trying to do was migrate, which was really wrong and a violation of our ethics codes. and maybe even our laws. but they were trying to migrate the sensitive conversations out of their government email accounts and into the private service. and so, i don't think it was that they knew that it comes from a lab and they were covering that up. i think that they were so firm i

metzl: thank you so much, erin. congressman wenstrup, chairman ratcliffe, and all of you, it is my pleasure and honor to be here with all of you. thank you to heritage for hosting us. that said, i worked tirelessly on the covid-19 origin issue for four and half years and i am deeply honored to be the lead with this in congressman wenstrup's hearings are to serve as a commissioner on this absolutely essential nonpartisan commission. we are here because every person on earth has an absolute right to demand answers about why so many of our friends and relatives are dead and why our lives have been so massively disrupted by a totally avoidable political pandemic. congressman wenstrup's hearings have rightly asked questions of many u.s. officials and actors. our commission's report focuses on the entity we believe bears primary responsibility for the covid-19 pandemic. while other governments including the united states and france may have played small contributing roles, there can be in our view little doubt that china'

former national security council member jamie metzl joins us now.th you through the whole pandemic, democratic your whole life. >> yeah. >> brian: you used to work for joe biden. >> i did. >> brian: you feel your party hit the wall. why? >> two big reasons. one, when we saw joe biden in the debate on june 27th, it should have been clear to everybody that this was not a person who could be president of the united states for four more years. people on the inside saw his decline and we should have had a competitive primary. if we had had a competitive primary, something would have shaken out and potentially had a candidate to say hey, i'm not fully aligned with this past administration. that was number one. number two is the democrats didn't disconnect ourselves from these lunatics on the far left. americans are really sensible, centrist people. nobody wants to defund the police phlebotomy is on board with globalizing intifada. nobody cease people on campuses hamas head bands burning flags and say that's us. we say that's not us. by trying to bring eve

treatment of black patients, not just in maryland, i studied, but also one researcher named jonathan metzl did this in a segregated institution in michigan and found that doctors would use labels like schizophrenia diagnoses like that to actually allow them to hold and keep and and medicate rates any other population. and so the backlash is about a lot more than just your interaction with a police officer on the street. it's about the fact that these ideas, black people, the fear of of what we were asking this country to do and and how we wanted it tos seeping into everything, including medical system. and so i really am looking at the and this insti ways being a sibling of the crim space. and so i think a lot of people familiar with this c prison. but i would add, asylum is part of the broader genealogy there and is a place where a lot of these attitudes were very being reflected. they were shaping and they were changing patients lives or in some cases cutting their lives short. wonderful. thank you. there's you allude to the sort of different phases of control of black and brown bodies.

metzl just said that shouldn't be used, but background checks. gun in their classrooms. >> right. >> it's stupidity, and it's gotten out of control that this health issue isn't dealt with, and it hurts responsible gun owners frankly. >> and willie, you know, grown up in atlanta, georgia, meridian, mississippi, tuscaloosa. gun owners have been there their entire life and they say the same thing after a mass shooting. why do they need that gun? why do you need that? what idiot needs that? that's what members of the nra -- that's whose people who took them out hunting when they were 5 or 6 years old, that's what they say. they get on the air like politicians and, you know, these lobbyists get on the air going, you don't understand the gun culture. we do understand it. we grew up in it and a lot of people in the gun culture think they're idiots and that's why 90% of americans support universal background checks. i'm not talking about taking away guns. i'm talking about making sure crazy people can't get guns. i think most americans agree with that po