catholic church's position? >> i accept my church's teaching on moral issues. i concur with the moral position. >> let me ask you, but what do you say about -- >> it's not funny. >> your church? it's not funny. what do you say about your church. >> the churches make your moral judgments. you running for president will the chief executive of the united states. do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle. >> the answer is there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yes. there has to be some form. >> ten years? >> i don't know. >> why not? you take positions in everything else. >> i do take positions in everything else, it's a very complicated position. >> you tell me what the law should be. you say you're pro life. >> i am pro life. >> what's that mean? >> i am pro life. i have not determined what the punishment will be. >> why not? >> because i haven't determined it. >> by saying you're pro life. you want to ban abortion. how do you ban...