convinced ukraine to transfer a trade deal with e.u. an to russ. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> one of the aims russia had was to try to bring ukraine close for russia and not--away from the arms of the e.u. in some ways it's done the opposite, wouldn't you agree? >> well, what putin has done is expose--putin believes that the e.u. is a paper tiger, the e.u. is divided, and what he has done by goading, threatening the sanctions imposed on him has exposed spain, italy, greece, austria, ireland, netherlands,