know between the u.s. and germany? >> that's an excellent question. the fear in germany of course is that washington knows a lot more than the bnd is doing. and that's altogether possible. dual haus merlic could one say. this parliamentary bundeslag is going to have to decide whether it really wants to learn these things or whether the u.s. so-called oversight committees which really are overlook committees, whether they really want to know what the bnd was doing. because thomas drake said on friday night, all or virtually all the data that goes through germany is accessed by the nsa and by the bnd. and some of that, some of that traffic, some of that data is used for drone strikes in

and by the bnd. and some of that, some of that traffic, some of that data is used for drone strikes in pakistan. that's big. if the german government wants to duck that, hopefully there's enough democracy in germany, hopefully enough time has gone by since world war ii that the germans can stop acting like anhanga, with all the killing

account u.s. and germany put this scandal behind them, how badly has their reputation been damaged? >> as has been pointed out the close relationship of intelligence sharing is something that goes back a matter of decades. as a matter of fact, tom drake who testified on friday even talked about the bnd for example as being an appendage, unhanga is the engineer man word to the nsa and the u.s. intelligence establishment. so with that kind of history, it's going to be very difficult for mrs. merkel to assert her authority, and i see this as a kind of a metaphor for the unhanga, the appendage relationship that has existed between germany and the united states send the end of world war ii really. one of the things that has been