taking a closer look this time on the program with bob woodson, founder and president of neighborhood enterprise, and peter adelman, faculty director on the center of equality at georgetown university law center. bob woodson, let me start with you because you're known to have paul ryan's ear and vice versa. what are the main motivating ideas behind the package, the big thurs? >> the big thrust is unfortunately in the past we have defined help to the poor by how much money we spend on services to the poor. so if you care more, you spend more. if you're harsh and cruel you spend less, and that's a false die cot kocot dichotomdichotomy. paul says we must find new and innovative ways to lift people out of poverty and then measure success based upon how many fewer people need assistance versus how many people are requiring it.