larger problems and you're not necessarily shepherded and led in different directions as nonivy league schools. i think it takes a little bit of soul searching who you want to represent as a university as your school and as a student what you're looking to achieve and do you have enough courage to follow what you're called to do. >> we see this nuanced debate with our very own ray suarez, my own kid got an education at one of those places, he humbly bragged. and andrew prang, bill's piece seems to focus on the structure and the strength of the ivy league schools sucks the forward out of these children. do these terrified insecure children who become these