now, you are putting the blame on the catholic church, but there was a church of ireland, a protestant home, bethany, and that similarly had very high rates. it did, in ireland, and it seems to have aped the catholic homes in ireland, which is kind of bizarre. it would suggest it was a problem of society, rather than the church. well, i can‘t really speak for exactly what was going on in the protestant bethany home. but a great deal of research has been done into that home by derek leinster from the bethany group. it‘s comparable with what happened in the catholic homes, but it seems to have been unique to ireland. even with these infant mortality rates, you are talking about going back to the ‘20s. yes. i mean, that was at a time when there weren‘t antibiotics, when they weren‘t vaccinations. and when those come in, the mortality rate drops dramatically. well, yes and no. the mortality rate dropped dramatically in ireland from the late ‘iios onwards, but that coincided with the...