and that's what they look at... look at the state energy company, mr malema, look what that's delivering for the people of south africa. but let's look at also the private companies that are folding in south africa. why do you want to create an impression that the state companies are failing? the anc is failing eskom, so that it can sell eskom. if you first make it look like it's not working, so that by the time you come to sell, everybody is so annoyed with eskom and agrees to the nonsensical selling of state—owned enterprises. recently, we had an aviation company closing down. it was not a state—owned. and then, you take the state—owned aviation company, and you say, "no, let's privatise it because the state can't run it" — as if when it's run by private sector, that it does a good job. it's not true.