president. the one you know best is harry truman. david: you never went to college, but you never stopped reading history -- he never went to college but he never stopped reading history. now with our 45th president we have a leader who doesn't know much of anything in the way of history and has said so. dismisses biography, dismisses books, dismisses reading, dismisses history. but my feelings about the importance of history, as you've said, go back several decades and that's what this book is a collection of. i think it's -- we must encourage, stimulate, and bring history back to its importance in the whole system of education. i think it's -- we must charlie: a couple of things. when eisenhower sent there are four key qualities to measure a leader by, character, ability, responsibility, and experience.