on him in eastern europe. genuinelyi think eta thought -- i think he genuinely thought it was a birthday present for him that he had a candidate like donald trump. who not only adopted kremlin-favored positions on issues, but also adopted the language and logic of the , welin come a talking about cannot say anything about what is happening in russia right now because we have killers, too. that is exactly the kind of thing that putin himself would say. charlie: he said that in an interview, too. do you also believe that president obama could have made a difference if he had been stronger in his own declarations about russian hacking? >> i think president obama was in an impossible decision on this issue. give you was the commander -- here he was a commander in chief, trying to defend democracy, but also the standardbearer of the democratic party in the middle of an election. i think he wanted very badly to avoid any appearance that he was putting his thumb on the scale in this...