octorine? marty shanker joins us. let's talk north. we will pivot to iran. it's important. this feels like progress. rocket man to hear. marty: i think you have to give donald trump and his foreign policy strategies some credit. or all the credit. the adjuster by than dutch by the north koreans to release these americans clearly is a signal that they take these discussion seriously. if at the meeting between donald anmp and kim, they do reach agreement, it is a triumph at that -- of that effort. julia: we have gone from the president talking about kim jong-un as rocket man, and they have established some form of trust to get to this position. rewind to 24 hours and we have the president walking away from the iranian nuclear deal. if there is some way you can see this u.s. administration has a strategy here for, in some way,