angela merkel and emmanuel macron saying they oppose new lockdown. with more,g us bloomberg new economy forum editorial director. fascinating work that you have done. you look at these sort of massive shocks to the world from pandemics and found they have deep changes. hello, i just lost you there. joe: you have done some work looking at the impact that historically pandemics have had. they end up changing our relationship between the government and public. andy: indeed. out, has beenurns a godsend for autocrats and authoritarians all over the world. it has given them the perfect