we have cnbc contributor and former auto czar steve ratner and steve ovlin. former chairman of office depot and autozone. bipartisan reform, on the budget deficit, and i guess the fiscal cliff, the top of "the new york times" website today is playing this as, ceos want deficit reduction by raising taxes. do you think that's the best way to go about this, steve? >> well, i think what we're trying to get in the business community and the community for economic development is attention from both sides of this critical issue. we're running over trillion-dollar deficits every single year. we now from over $16 trillion in debt and it isn't easing up. we have to have reform here. we simply have to have a package that cuts spending and deals with tax reform. >> but that's not what they want. >> it's not just about raising rates. >> it's tax reform. >> it's tax reform.