two years waiting for this. munster talks very highly of this. i think you have a place where the comps have gotten to be pretty attractive for apple to beat them. i know that's not terribly exciting, but what do we expect from wwdc. this was not supposed to be anything but a software update. so i don't -- i'm not disappointed by this. i'm flat the stock. i sold it last week. i think there's plenty of room to trade this stock around here. i don't see much moving it. i think it could be a place that still an atm, i think we've learned in the last six months, a lot of the big investors are already out of this name. >> i'm also flat the stock. i think it's valued as a hardware company. >> it is a hardware company. >> that's what's being valued at. >> i think that by its nature, a hardware company that's in decline, if people don't see that ramp for anything to reach for that phone, it's really over for them. >> all right. >> you need virtual reality. you need aies, but you need virtual...