>> 4 x and other elements? a lot of goods around. farm is down three that got a lot of people attention. that always been the lead indicator especially how it is going to be whether looking at next season you know see in this environment where the market bounce a little bit. >> the ceo did sound optimistic. he did say -- he also talked of new features around new products trying to offset other factors that we mention that they can't control right now. the stock is down 11%. definitely under performer it does not have that look of a chart. it has been cast aside the way caterpillar did look further. >> yeah. caterpillar 122 after losing