both of those states combined are smaller than texas. he knows how to run a statewide race. that's what he has to do. forget the national stuff. go win iowa. go win south carolina. and the same advice i would give m m michele. she doesn't have the resources. lots of things happen after that. >> i'm not completely disagreeing with ed, because lord knows you shouldn't disagree with ed. but i would modify it a little bit. would i say this. compete in those states, but have the long view. he has weather to storm. if it he can get this through the first couple states and get into the long run with romney and let the others fall off, look, the conservatives are looking to coalesce around the candidate. if he can get in a one-on-one battle with romney, i like perry's chances. >> he's got to win somewhere first, though, doesn't he? that reminds me of the rudy guiliani strategy. i'm going wait in florida for someone to come to me. >> it doesn't work like that. >> i think if romney wins...