minority and the cia current leadership and former leadership didn't stake their reputations on saying what they did without good reason as well. and the cartoon image of torture that might have been done in egypt or someplace where they're twisting an arm and asking questions, that's not what this is. these people were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques for a matter of days or weeks at most. and then for three years later, thousands and thousands of absolutely verifiable intelligence came out of khalid sheikh mohammed, abu zubaydah. the information was no doubt accurate and helpful to us. >> i want to point out, bob, the current director of the cia, john brennan, he was a career cry official. but he was appointed, nominated to be the cia director by president obama. the cia yesterday put out a statement on this very specific point that we're seeing. it says, information that cia obtained from detainees through this enhanced interrogation, played a role in combination with...