>> well it's interesting that he made some attempt to try to eliminate the forensic evidence by erasing the home security video and trying to burn the home and burn the car, but he left some of the forensic evidence behind which tells me that he may not be as knowledgeable about the success rates that we have with forensic evidence as he may think. it also tells me that there's a good chance that there's probable some forensic evidence that may still be left behind. >> you know harry, a lot of people don't think -- this is a takeaway for everybody on this -- when you have a home security system oftentimes the recording device is -- it's not in a safe or anything. it's not locked away. it's accessible if you are inside the home. >> exactly. a lot of times it's not working. i've had cases, we have security in our house here but camera hasn't been working for months and nobody fixed it. what's really interesting about the case, though, is $40,000. that amount of money. all...