is ridiculous. we now know that josh duggar went to them not once not twice, but three times. had they removed him from the home had they called police and given him counseling at that point, they would have protected, which is required by law, the other children in the family. we may not be talking about five victims, we may be talking about one. we need to talk about how you appropriately handle child sex abuse allegations and child sex crimes. because to be sure these were crimes committed. >> and i want you to pay particular attention to this. >> reporter: you are goong the record as being two of josh's victims. does it feel strange to use that word? >> you know i don't think we didn't choose to come out and