there were dozens and dozens and dozens of people around him who were not. >> i want to bring in two people with experience protecting presidents and the pope alike. former secret service agent and swiss guard and professor the at the catholic of america. andres, thank you for being with us. how difficult a job is it giving close protection to the pontiff when, especially, it's somebody known for wanting to be there with the people ? >> yeah, the swiss guards are used to this so i can't really compare it. i've never protected a president. this is an everyday thing. the security for a holey father is not the same for a president. >> there is a balance. >> you want to allow his ministry and of timmize security. that's something that comes with being pope. if you take that away, you don't

if you take that away, you don't let him be the pope anymore and we don't do that. >> dan, from a secret service stand point, it's obviously a different kind of priority. the priority i'm assuming the secret service would go on is security. >> it's a unique problem with this pope, anderson. if i had to triage the issues, it would be his randomness. the president of the united states has a threat level. he's not random. when we tell the president, if the president wants to stop at a lemonade stand and look, we set that up in advance. nothing jumping out of the car randomly. this pope, i respect his bravery for putting his own personal security second. you never know. he could jump out in a crowd we're not prepared for and next thing you know the agents are scrambling to look for hands