tv one, too. and now, right here, wayne carlson who is the dean of undergraduate students here at ohio state, and he says he is torn between you and secretary clinton. wayne? >> thank you very much for allowing me to be here. as dean of undergraduates, i am very, very much aware of the impact on our students of escalating costs and higher education particularly our disadvantaged students. i, myself, am a first-generation low-income student, and i financed my way are through college using federal grants and forgivable loans. i know, senator, that you are proposing free college for all. i don't quite understand how that's possible. senator, is there room for compromise on this issue? >> well, wayne, i am not proposing -- and very often it gets misunderstood. i am not proposing free college for all. what i am proposing is free tuition at public colleges and

>> well, wayne, i am not proposing -- and very often it gets misunderstood. i am not proposing free college for all. what i am proposing is free tuition at public colleges and universities. that's what i'm proposing. and i am also proposing to substantially lower the outrageous level of student debt that millions of people in the country are currently carrying. why am i doing this? i am doing this because today, in many respects, the college degree is the equivalent of what a high school degree was 50 years ago. the world has changed. the economy has changed. people need more education. that is why i believe that we should make public colleges and universities tuition-free so that anybody in this country who has the ability, who has the qualifications will be able to get a college degree, regardless

has the ability, who has the qualifications will be able to get a college degree, regardless of the income of his or her family. and like you, i came from a family that didn't have a lot of money, and first generation to go to college, but i want every kid in this country who is in the sixth grade or the fourth grade to understand that if he or she studies hard, does well, they will be able to go to college regardless of the income of their family. and we are going to pay for that. and i will tell you how we will pay for this. i have been criticized, because it is an expensive proposition, it is. 70 billion bucks a year. some of you will remember that back in 2008 congress bailed out wall street after their greed and illegal behavior nearly destroyed our economy. i believe that we should impose a tax on wall street speculation. if we could bail out wall street, now it is wall street's