for more, let's bring in michigan's secretary of state ruth johnson, and election law professor at the university of kentucky college of law, josh douglas. great to have both of you with us this morning. secretary johnson, let me start with you. how can voters in your state know that the process is legitimate and not rigged? >> well, we have a very unique system here in michigan. we take many different positions with what we do to make sure that they are going to have integrity. first of all, we have paper ballots, which i think is very important, so we can always recount. we've cleaned up our qualified voter file by taking off 889,000 people that had died or moved from michigan. and then we also have a canvas support at the county and at the state. so 1,603 local clerks conduct the elections. some of the best in the country. >> that's interesting, secretary. it sound like you're a model of cleaning up the rolls so that dead people are no longer on