none of this worked. and, oh by the way, you committed torture. we can only parse so much of that in the time we have. i'll ask you this -- did it work? >> yes, it did. in fact, you shouldn't take my word for it. take the cia's word for it. it said it disrupted attacks. that it allowed them to understand better the enemy that we had. that it saved lives and that it presented another catastrophic attack here in the united states. >> in your book, you take us inside the room. in fact, i'll reference abu zubaydah. you wrote this, bruce poured the weather out of a one liter plastic bottle and i controlled the duration of the pours by standing at the top of the abu's head raising and lowering a black cloth to cover his face. when i lowered the clothe, bruce was to pour. i would watch the guard count out the seconds. when i raised the cloth, bruce was to stop immediately. the legal guidance said we could pour water for 20 to 40 seconds, allow the person to breathe unimpeded for three to...