is a career civil servant originally appointed u.s. attorney by president obama. >> that was senate minority leader chuck schumer calling for a special prosecutor after a fire storm of criticism. attorney general jeff sessions recusing himself from investigations involving the trump campaign and russia. could sessions face perjury charges for misleading congress about the contacts? let's discuss. the former white house ethicethics ethics and mr. whitaker let me start with you. so now jeff sessions has recused himself legally what is next. do you believe he can face perjury charges. >> he'll have to demonstrate what he said was willful. and it is very clear that senator franken is asking about campaign contact with russian officials and it's not senator sessions at the time talking to the russian ambassador as part of the armed service committee job he has and you'd also have to demonstrate that his system was willful and regarding material fact which, you know, based on that standard...

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