back with our panel. charles, to you. obviously, i want your reaction that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein considering recusing himself from this investigation. one more element of chaos in an already tumultuous investigation. >> it would be extraordinary but also you can understand how you could get to that point where that would be a reasonable step. he becomes a witness in the case because of the memo that he wrote. he can't exactly be the person who the chief investigator is reporting to. it's understandable. but then it becomes a different question about then who replaces him? if that person is going to go through donald trump, that's a problem. >> the person who be the number three in the justice department, rachel brand, someone you worked with. >> i worked with rachel. she's tough. she's smart. she has high integrity. one of the smartest lawyers republicans would tell you in washington, d.c. a lot of folks two months ago didn't know rod rosenstein. maybe you don't know...