collusion that has been alleged. >> joining us also by phone is former u.s. attorney, matthew whitaker. matthew, i'm just wondering what you make of this reporting by "the new york times." does it change anything? >> well, i read the article very carefully, and it's based on three people with knowledge of the e-mail and i think david is right. i think it's very dangerous to speculate as to what the facts are or are not. but it is concerning heading into that meeting if he did know this was regarding information that had been created, you know, allegedly by the russian government, i think that's concerning. but at the same time, you know, david points out a really key piece, which it still is not evidence that there was any crime committed and i still don't think it's enough to suggest there's some conspiracy or otherwise to violate either election laws or espionage laws. >> matthew, is there some obligation that a member of a campaign -- i mean if you are approached by an entity from...