you understand that. we're lawyers. we have to respect the attorney-client privilege. >> thanks. i always respect the conversation. >>> senator rick santorum, cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin, bob baer and matthew whittaker. jeff, what is your reaction to what jay said? >> i think what is interesting is how the subject matter has changed. for months, the president and everyone involved in the campaign was saying this whole subject is ridiculous. there were no contacts between our campaign and the russians. the whole thing is fake news. didn't happen. now, of course, we know this meeting took place. >> now it's no illegality. >> exactly. now jay is saying, quite properly as an attorney, saying there is no illegality. he may be right. he may be wrong. but they are moving the defense lines back. we'll see if there is no illegality. it is true that it is not 100% clear that there is any illegality at this point. but the facts are going to determine whether there is any illegality. >>...