joining me to talk about that and more, nicholas kristoff is an op-ed columnist. and the executive editor of the national review. linda, you are a conservative republican. he worked for ronald reagan on these issues. and i'm wondering what you think has changed? because ronald reagan was once asked something about illegal aliens, and he said, i have another word for illegal aliens. it's willing workers. a long way from today. >> that's exactly right. and in fact, i think he would be mystified by what's going on. and by the way, illegal immigration when ronald reagan was president was actually at a higher level than it is to see. so this whole idea that there is this huge infusion of people coming across the border, it's a crisis, we have to do something about, we've got to build walls, we've got to keep people out, simply doesn't comport with the facts. and unfortunately, i think that the republican party has seized on this issue as a way to galvanize working class whites to try to...