this, anderson. >> jim acosta, thanks very much. back with jim axelrod, gloriaberger, david gergen. gloria, the idea of it all comes down to bolton, that's an incredible roll of the dice. i don't know that anybody really has any idea of his perspective. there was that story he said compared something that he was hearing from sunland and others as a drug deal. what he actually testifies to, it's kind of amazing that it could possibly come down to that. >> yeah, i think so. look, it's very clear from the testimony we've seen that bolton was completely unhappy with what was going on vis-a-vis ukraine. he referred to it as a drug deal. he thought that it was a rogue policy that was being directed by rudy giuliani, and he referred to giuliani and mick mulvaney when he was talking than drug deal. the question that i have is how are they going to get him up there and what venue. you know, his attorney is also the attorney representing somebody else who wants it to go