the winner in all of this is vladimir putin and russia. >> it's no surprise the president has pounced on this. can you fault him on that? >> can i fault president trump? >> yeah, for jumping on this. i mean, it does seem clearly whatever happened in this briefing -- i mean, it's not really clear what happened, i guess. >> well, it's not. obviously it is. it plays to his paranoia and insecurity, i suppose, but, i mean, it's correct for him to be sensitive about it. at the same time by overreacting to this, which i guess is the objective, the end result will be suppress further reporting on the russian activity. now maybe that's what he wants.