grish grishkovich. >> we haven't missed an opportunity to talk to them about both paul and even. i don't have any specific conversations with mr. lavrov to speak to today. and he's here because they have the presidency temporarily, a figurehead position of the security council. but we haven't missed a beat in talking to russian officials. and in fact, there's a proposal on the table, it's been on the table, to try to get mr. whaealn out. that doesn't mean we're going to stop. >> are you current about, for not issuing russian journalists visas to come here and cover sergey lavrov is not happy about that. are you concerned about the effect that it could have on people like gershkovich? >> we want to make sure we get evan and paul out. but look, the russian state media, they don't -- these are propaganda organs and, you know, again, we feel like it's important to speak up and stand up for freedom of the press. a free press, an independent press that is able to do its job