they've known a lot of war here. and they've been through it -- through the wringer. and they're really looking to this at a great moment. the security council came while we were in juba, in an emergency mission. all 15 members. a big deal. and all the children from all over the schools in their dress shirts were standing out with signs saying, you know, thank you to the u.n. and please help us with peace. >> larry: but doesn't it harden them, george? >> i would imagine it just makes you more resolute. i don't know about hardened. you know, there are certainly people that are hardened. but boy, there are some amazingly -- i mean, just beautifully kind people. >> larry: john, our special envoy to sudan, the retired general, he's taking heat from advocacy groups. some have called for his resignation, saying he doesn't do enough. what do you think? >> i think what we're focused on now is the fact that there's such a short time left. general grayson is out there in the region. he's out...