country goes to hell. i'm talking about grover norquist, he's the author of "the taxpayer protection pledge," which seeks to oppose any net tax increases. it has been signed by 95% of republican congressmen and all but one of the original 2012 republican presidential candidates. grover norquist joins me now. >> good to be with you. >> let me ask you -- >> sure -- >> about the history of the last 20 or 30 years and ask you whether you feel some responsibility for this. here's how i see it. the republican party under ronald reagan, subsequently under gingrich when confronting george bush sr. has pushed aggressively for cutting taxes, no new taxes, many of the kinds of things you've argued for. but it has been unable for whatever reason under republican majorities, under democratic majorities, under divided or shared government to cut spending. so what we have had is the kind