was like on marriage equality, and what the federal government might be able to do to protect lgbtq americans, especially trans kids who are dealing with all of these regressive state laws that are popping up right now. >> president biden: i can remember exactly when my epiphany was. >> kal: okay. >> president biden: i hadn't thought much about it, to tell you the truth. and i was a senior in high school. and my dad was dropping me off and i was about to get out of the car and i looked to my right and two well-dressed men in suits kissed each other. i mean, they gave each other a kiss. and then one went, looked like he was headed to the dupont building, one looked like he was going to the hercules corporation building. and i'll never forget, i turned and looked at my dad, he said, joe, it is simple. they love each other. it is simple. i'm not joking. it is simple.