this in my opening statement, about the fbi arresting kevin hopham in connection with a plot to bomb a parade in honor of martin luther king day in spokane, washingtonment of -- washington. and what i've read in the press was the bomb was very sophisticated, the plot almost succeeded. a large number of people around there, at least looking at some of the press photographs, if bomb had gone off, the results would have been horrible. he reportedly had ties to white supremacist groups, and i mention this only because i don't want to lose sight of the fact that domestic terrorism may not be as visible as international terrorism, but also a threat to us just as timothy mcveigh in oklahoma city and others. what is the threat posed by domestic terrorism? how would you, just generally. not this particular case, but generally how do you see the threat of domestic terrorism?