immigration and he is the one of defending sheriff joe arpaio to carry out immigration functions. i would also identify kobach as the individual who did more than any other to launch the section 287g program that julia referred to in her opening comments. i know this sounds odd because 287g was created by congress as part of the 1986 immigration law but 287g was stillborn. no agreement had been signed between the federal government, any local or state police force which is required for this program to go in effect. no agreement had been signed before 2001. it was kobach who revived it and the rationale with counterterrorism. now, you might ask, you know, what's the link between getting state and local police-involved in immigration enforcement and terrorism? well, one of the pilots who was the pilot at the controls of the plane that was brought down in shanksville, pennsylvania, he was pulled over by a maryland police officer driving 90 miles