that became friend of dr. farwell and litigated some historyache cases in virginia that extend back to thomas jefferson in which church were not allowed to hold land like other corporations, and we ultimately got that overturned after a couple hundred year law under the united states constitution. and from those conversations with dr. farwell, we gap talking about the idea of a law school, and that was in the 1990s, and the law school opened in 2004, and dr. far well asked me to be the dean. i declined. he asked me a second time, i decleaned ex-and when he asked me the third time i ultimately became the dean of the law school in 2006. >> host: do you have another book? >> guest: i have one book in the process of developing. one is about the freedoms we have in america and also about activism and motivation i've been very moved by reading biographies of wilber force and others like him, and so my desire is to ultimately