defense attorney, professor at the thomas jefferson school of law in san diego. she's the past president of the national lawyers' guild, she testified before congress in 2008 about the bush administration's torture policy. she's testified as an expert witness at military hearings about war illegality and the duty to disobey unlawful orders. her latest book is "the united states and torture." and her upcoming book is about drones and so-called targeted killings. marjorie cohn. [applause] >> thank you, jeff, and thank you to all my fellow panelists. i'm just delighted to be here with you all today. with so many places to get information all claiming to have the truth, there is no objective truth. during the vietnam war there were three networks. there was no cable, there was no internet. every city had a democratic newspaper and a republican newspaper. even if they disagreed, there was a general core belief and perception.