is discussing everybody who was associate with the university of southern california football program were discussed within the ncaa with you with reggie bush when it is programs but it's difficult to punish people for past deeds, and so you can't retroactively punish penn state short of take away victories, and that's going to be a punishment that people don't really recognize. you take away victories and people say well they play the game, they won the game and in the general public's mind, that's the way those games were decided. so there's no question that the ncaa's enforcement structure creates a circumstance where athletes and schools in the present are being punished for deeds in the past. that's partially because it's so difficult for the ncaa to try to enforce these rules and enforce procedures that involve. they lack subpoena power. it's difficult for these cases to be adjudicated quickly. by the time they get found out about and then investigated and