you mean by light the obama administration made it uncool for trade and everything like that? what i remember from that period was his crackdown on for-profit schools who take advantage of lower income people who are trying to move up in this society. >> host: quite a list. we will let our guest respond to that. >> guest: hopefully keeping a check credit to make sure i hit everything but in terms of vocational training, look, , we are proponents of that, and under the obama administration the wasn't as much of a push for vocational training. it was about for your education. while i i was fortunate enougo be able to attend, i was the first one in my family to finish high school, college, grad school and that was all through the grace of god and hard work through my mother. i love higher education but it o believe there is huge opportunity for folks to go into different vocations and two different skilled occupations