to about $800 billion a year. $800 billion a year in added interest costs. added interest costs. that's larger than the defense budget. that's roughly twice current corporate tax receipts. it's about 80% of personal income tax receipts. so, in other words, not to shrink the deficit, but just to pay the average at interest cost we basically have to abolish the defense department completely or we'd have to have an 80% rise in all personal tax rates. doesn't work. math doesn't work. the markets are going to call us on it long before then. because we are in a situation that economists call fiscal dominance. our monetary policy, unintentional unintentionally, has now become dominated by fiscal necessity. and we're not admitting it to ourselves yet and we didn't get there because we chose to, we went there for the right reasons