involved in the space program? you are a graduate of west point and a fighter pilot. how did you get selected? >> he just expended -- you just explained it. i was eight years old and looked into the night sky and said the moon is for me. i used to make model airplanes. strong made model airplanes -- neil armstrong made model airplanes. mine would confuse me a little bit. my solution was to wind the rubber band a little bit more. neil build a wind tunnel -- built a wind tunnel. got into it step-by-step. . went to west point my father and my brother and uncle had all gone there.