but i don't see how. if they had listened to the atheist community in northern ireland, which is a real thing, and if they had listened to the secular movement in northern ireland, which is a real thing and i know many people who have suffered dreadfully from membership in it, not excluding being pulled out of a car by a man in a balaclava and being asked, are you ... are you a protestant jewish atheist or a catholic jewish atheist? you laugh, but it's not -- [laughter] so funny when the party of god has a gun in your ear at the same time. and that was in britain, and still is, to some extent, until recently. rwanda, do i say that there would be no quarrel between hutu and tutsi, people in rwanda. belgian colonialism made it worse, but there are no doubt innate ethnic differences ... most christian country in africa.

you can't -- try as you may follow jesus of nazareth, it can't be done. you can try to do it and it can't be done. will you have to follow his vicer on earth. pope benedict xxvi as presently, his own claim, not mine. the apostolics session, the vicer of christ on earth. you have to say this person has divine thomplet -- authority. i maintain that is too much of a sacrifice of the mental and intellectual freedom that is essential to us, to be tolerated and you gave everything by repudiating that and standing up to your own full height and you gave much more than you will by pretending you're a member of the flock or in any other way any kind of sheep. thank you.