the cabinet particularly under mr. blair, less so under gordon brown, was used more for briefing of cabinet colleagues and discussion of that kind rather than for acute decisions. i mean, it depended on the issue. >> i think we'll talk about some of those issues later on. up now also lord williams has been -- >> williams or wilson? >> williams. yes. they all become lords eventually. as the then dr. williams noted in his statement, there was -- for some reason you say he was a very assiduous -- the text hadn't been cleared with the proliferation office in the foreign office, it was quite an important discrepancy between the sort of standard intelligence line as it were and